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KeptByTheWord · #**421** 10-08-2012, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues

Way off subject, but actually God planned for Israel to have a king, just not when they asked for one.

Duet 17:14-20

14..When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you and have taken possession of it and settled in it, and you say, “Let us set a king over us like all the nations around us,” 15..be sure to appoint over you a king the Lord your God chooses. He must be from among your fellow Israelites. Do not place a foreigner over you, one who is not an Israelite. 16..The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them, for the Lord has told you, “You are not to go back that way again.” 17..He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.

18..When he takes the throne of his kingdom, he is to write for himself on a scroll a copy of this law, taken from that of the Levitical priests. 19..It is to be with him, and he is to read it all the days of his life so that he may learn to revere the Lord his God and follow carefully all the words of this law and these decrees 20..and not consider himself better than his fellow Israelites and turn from the law to the right or to the left. Then he and his descendants will reign a long time over his kingdom in Israel.

But why did God give them a king? I Samuel 8:7 "And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto theee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them."

The reason God knew they would want a king, and did, was because they did not want the LORD to be their king or to have prophets or judges. They wanted to be like the rest of the nations around them.

As in our day today... we have idols in Hollywood, we have a President who wants to be an idol in the minds of his followers, and people want a "king" in their churches to rule over them. Mankind loves idolatry.

Jesus introduced to us the best way for mankind to be ruled, and that is with a servant's heart. Not as "kings" lording over God's heritage, but as servants serving our Master Jesus, indeed as He was a servant while he was here on earth.

My thoughts are that we should spend more time focusing on the type of kingdom Jesus introduced to us, instead of focusing on the type of kingdom Israel had with kings and priests and trying to live as though that type of kingdom works. It doesn't. Christ has shown us a better way.

Living as a servant to Christ, not seeking honor, fame, glory or any respect of persons, but being about the Father's business in humility will take one the farthest distance from situations that breed immorality.

Praxeas · #**422** 10-08-2012, 08:20 PM

BTW nearly all newer translations do not say God made us Kings and Priests. The Greek word there means Kingdom

deacon blues · #**423** 10-08-2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

But why did God give them a king? I Samuel 8:7 "And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto theee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them."

The reason God knew they would want a king, and did, was because they did not want the LORD to be their king or to have prophets or judges. They wanted to be like the rest of the nations around them.

As in our day today... we have idols in Hollywood, we have a President who wants to be an idol in the minds of his followers, and people want a "king" in their churches to rule over them. Mankind loves idolatry.

Jesus introduced to us the best way for mankind to be ruled, and that is with a servant's heart. Not as "kings" lording over God's heritage, but as servants serving our Master Jesus, indeed as He was a servant while he was here on earth.

My thoughts are that we should spend more time focusing on the type of kingdom Jesus introduced to us, instead of focusing on the type of kingdom Israel had with kings and priests and trying to live as though that type of kingdom works. It doesn't. Christ has shown us a better way.

Living as a servant to Christ, not seeking honor, fame, glory or any respect of persons, but being about the Father's business in humility will take one the farthest distance from situations that breed immorality.

Oh I agree with you about pastors not being kings---but I contend that God planned to give them a king, they just jumped the gun one generation too soon. Jesus was going to be a king and had to come from a kingly lineage, so there had to be an established monarchy---thus David.

strait shooter · #**424** 10-08-2012, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

Here's a suggestion. Why doesn't the man who allegedly failed in the man made system of which he was a part actually get a job and preach for free? What a concept, proclaiming the gospel without selling anything, taking up multiple 'offerings' or having fund drives to support a bigger, newer, better-than-the-competition 'church'.

Would the guy even consider proclaiming the gospel without money being involved in it?

Why don't you go do your job for free....I would imagine that whoever benefits from whatever services your job provides would be greatly blessed if you would do it for free.

Oh wait....you need to eat, have a home, drive a car wear clothes, etc....so it would be a terrible injustice for you to have to give all your time, effort and passion for without monetary compensation...

,,,and yet you expect a pastor to pour out his life, time, passion, blood, sweat and tears for free!!!!

Sheeeeeesh!!!

live4him · #**425** 10-09-2012, 12:01 AM

first of all if these accuastions are true- this pastor should not at all take the church back. the Bible says that they should be above reproach. secondly I feel bad for his precious wife. and if money is involved that is deffinently wrong. if he was sinning for 4 years like i heard why did he wait this long to come out and say what has happened. this is bad for the pentecostal church do you realize how many people fall cause they put their trust in their pastor. and to see this happen. people we need to realize who is leading us to live a holy and righteous life. i know people arent perfect but we cannot get in the pulpit and preach and then go lay with someone thats not your wife . im sorry it aint right. it affects everyone. and then try to hide it thats another problem. if you cannot handle the ministry that God has called you to do you need to step down. we just went thru this whole situation with Edwin young and his son.. what a tragedy. and then he takes off with lots of money and they dont know his wearabouts. what is going on with the church. it is time to get on out knees like never before. this is uncalled for. we need to open our eyes. praying for everyone.

Sister Alvear · #**426** 10-09-2012, 04:45 AM

I do believe we need to respect our leaders but they are flesh.....we need to work out some things for ourselves so if they fail we still know what we believe....some sadly lose it all after situations like this....

KeptByTheWord · #**427** 10-09-2012, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues

Oh I agree with you about pastors not being kings---but I contend that God planned to give them a king, they just jumped the gun one generation too soon. Jesus was going to be a king and had to come from a kingly lineage, so there had to be an established monarchy---thus David.

OK, I see your point. You are saying that Saul was never intended to be King, but David was.

But definitely, living like a King, was not the way of Christ. He came to bring us an example of how true leadership works, and in the midst of this terrible situation that has led to this long thread, it would do all of us well to reexamine our hearts, and see how we fit into the servant model that Christ has set before all of us.

canam · #**428** 10-09-2012, 02:53 PM

HOW ABOUT TELLING WHY HE LEFT, HE LEFT BECAUSE IT WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE BY LAWS THAT WOULDN'T ALLOW HIM TO SUCCEED TB, A LITTLE LESS DRAMA WOULD BE GOOD !!!!!! Originally Posted by tex / james kilgore just left too. he stayed 1 week. it is a very bad situation over there. he was supposed to be interim pastor for 6 months and now there is an audit going on as well. please pray for tpc memphis!

NotforSale · #**429** 10-09-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hizzangel

I just have to say if this where was where I attended church I would be very hesitant to Divulge information that would damage my congregation. Or hurt people any more than they were hurting. What was said to the congregation I believe needs to stay in the congregation. That in my opinion is the Problem with a lot of apostolics. We tend to tell everything that we know. No matter who it hurts. Sometimes we just need to let God take care of situations

Tell the truth and kill the rumor. I don't feel its right to withhold information regarding situations like this one. It only makes things worse via gossip, guessing, and presumption. Just get it over with and sound the trumpet, letting the chips fall where they may.

Hiding the problem also feeds the canonization of human beings, which bloats the fantasy of Religion. Even the Bible reveals the ugly truth about people.

IbelongtoJesus · #**430** 10-09-2012, 05:09 PM

I think this thread needs to stop. The allegations are true. He has stepped down. The church is now in a healing process. End of story. The rest is under the blood of Jesus, and between Bro. Black, his family, and God. No one should be speculating or discussing it, he was wrong, he knows he was, and the proper measures were taken when it came to light. TPC is strong, the people are strong and know what to do when the devil comes against us. We came together and sought the face of God. HE dealt with this situation.