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10-07-2012, 02:54 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Paul's edict about pastors doesn't apply. It's a cultural custom. Sort of like the hair.
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How do you get that?
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10-07-2012, 03:08 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Hmmm
Act 6:3 Therefore, brothers, pick out from among you seven men of good repute, full of the Spirit and of wisdom, whom we will appoint to this duty.
Act 14:23 And when they had appointed elders for them in every church, with prayer and fasting they committed them to the Lord in whom they had believed.
Tit 1:5 This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you--
They picked out men for leadership...and they had a biblical basis for deciding according to Paul an Apostle
Tit 1:6 if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination.
Tit 1:7 For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain,
Tit 1:8 but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined.
Tit 1:9 He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.
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10-07-2012, 03:09 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Having a "king" was never God's way. NEVER. The Israelites wanted a king after Samuel, and they got what they wanted.... but it was NOT God's design.
Jesus Christ came to us in an example of the greatest way that mankind needs to be ruled. Jesus came as a servant.
He came born in a manger, not in a palace.
He rode a donkey, not a Lexus.
He had no place to lay his head, instead of the best home in the church.
He came as a servant in every way possible, and died the worst possible death to die. He set the perfect example for us all, yet .... no one really wants to live or die the way Jesus did.
If anyone aspiring to the ministry would truly look at and consider the life of Christ, perhaps we wouldn't have the problems with the ministry that we see today, not just in Pentecost, but in every denomination.
The ministry are not to live like kings, act like kings or look like kings. They are to be SERVANTS. That is the example Jesus set up for us to see.
Don't believe me?
Read the gospels again and look at the life of Christ, and see how he lived. Show me the fine cars, fancy homes, exotic vacations, expensive apparel and fine food he dined on. Show me that he took up offerings every time he preached...
Show me! Because I can't find it anywhere....
Instead the picture of Christ is one of servanthood. What did Christ do the last night of his life? He served all of his brethren, washed their feet, and broke bread with them as a servant. What a picture he left for us to follow!
If those in ministry would stop, and take a closer look at the man Jesus Christ, who was our perfect example (and stop trying to compare our ministry to kings like David and Saul - imperfect fallen men)... and look instead at what Jesus expected of those who were to follow him...
I truly believe the servant hearts coming forth out of the design Christ gave us, would not be the production of adulterous, fornicating, materialistic minded, power hungry, crowd manipulating people in ministry in most organizations today.
Instead, we would see more Mother Theresa's, and Corie Ten Booms, and Peter Marshall's, and men and women more concerned about showing love one to another instead of building their own kingdom.
It would turn our world upside down, if more people truly chose to follow Christ's example, instead of King David's....
Luke 14:8-11
7And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them,
8When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;
9And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.
10But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
11For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
If anyone tries to build a kingdom here on this earth, even trying to justify it... saying it is "God's kingdom" .... it will not last. But if you lay up your treasure in heaven, that is building up the kingdom of heaven, which will last forever.
For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased (maybe here on earth or maybe not) and he that humbleth himself SHALL be exalted.
If you truly want to be exalted, and excel in the kingdom of heaven... here's what you have to do.
Luke 12:28-34
29And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.
30For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things.
31But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.
32Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
33Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
34For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
35Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
36And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
37Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. If this message would be the one that young men aspiring to enter the ministry would hear first.... perhaps there would be more careful consideration given in their hearts to what serving Jesus really means. It means that being a servant has the highest reward, in God's eyes.
Not being served, but serving.
It is something every single believer must do in order to be part of the kingdom of Christ, and of the kingdom of heaven. We must have a servant's heart and by our love one for another will all men know we are Christ's disciples. John 13:35
Let us all search our hearts, and see if we measure up to the servant example that Jesus set before us....
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Great post! You said it very well and now if we can only put it in to practice.
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10-07-2012, 07:16 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
Thank you, this is my prayer. I believe this will all my heart. Give no thought to what you wear, God clothes the flowers and how much more does he love us. God feeds the birds and how much more does he love us? Christ told the apostles to go out and dont take a change of clothes or an extra pair of shoes, not a single piece of money. so why do we believe that God's blessings are physical things???? These to me would seem stumbling blocks... What my father has shown me is that the closer you walk with him the less you concider these things of the earth blessings and more you see what his blessings really are.
I Love him. Modest is not the peacock and riches are not money
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10-07-2012, 08:41 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
I am a member at TPC and we are all hurt about things that have been going on in the church. But the move of god that we have had this whole week is incredible! Today at the end of the service everyone all 800 of us went to the alter and sat on our knees and cried out for the lord. It was truly amazing. I dont know if any of yall watched the service online but you should. It should be online tomorrow at tpcmemphis.org. My church is truely blessed. Please pray for Bro.Black and his family too. people make mistakes cause were human. Dont forget that.
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10-07-2012, 09:06 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by lovingthelord
I am a member at TPC and we are all hurt about things that have been going on in the church. But the move of god that we have had this whole week is incredible! Today at the end of the service everyone all 800 of us went to the alter and sat on our knees and cried out for the lord. It was truly amazing. I dont know if any of yall watched the service online but you should. It should be online tomorrow at tpcmemphis.org. My church is truely blessed. Please pray for Bro.Black and his family too. people make mistakes cause were human. Dont forget that.
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Thanks for the good report about the church. I do think everyone is praying for all involved. The important thing is for people to remember that their salvation and confidence is in the Lord and not men and it sounds like that is the what the church is doing.
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Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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10-07-2012, 10:34 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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When did God pull David off the throne? God punished David, but he didn't take the kingdom from David
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10-07-2012, 10:37 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
It's a terrible comparison. David was king. Pastors are not kings. They are not even supposed to act like kings
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
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10-08-2012, 02:10 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
Amen, God will recover the church as everyone remain calm in their spirits, and be very prayerful. This is a very critical period for TPC cause satan is desiring to level the church to total ruin, but this will NOT happen: "the gate of hell shall not prevail". Our Pastor brother will recover with the help of the Lord, and his wife will also be strengthened of the Lord. The church leaders has to be very watchful that wolves are detected, and not allowed in. "I will lift mine eyes to the hills; all of my help cometh from the Lord". PRAY!!! PRAY!!! TPC-PRAY!!! Embrace one another in Agape' love.
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10-08-2012, 02:20 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
Great report!!! This is how the church of jesus christ {the members of the body} ought to respond during times of great trials: Look to the saviour, and to continue to trust in god!!! Great report and thank you so much for sharing!!!
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