Our Trinitarian Brothers and Sisters in Christ - Page 8

Steve Epley · #71 09-28-2011, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Maybe so, but he himself was baptized "in Jesus Name" I believe.

IN his early years. But he learned better like some other folks.

Sherri · #72 09-28-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't see a problem with that. Who criticizes you?

Lots of people on here in the past. Also on FCF, NFCF, etc. I just don't get it. They say we are compromising by quoting Matt. 28:19, just to side with trinitarians. Blows my mind - it's the words of Jesus about baptism!

TruthGuy · #73 09-28-2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I attend church and fellowship with a lot of them.

You would be hard pressed to find someone who is a Trinitarian who believes in 3 gods.

The Trinity just isn't presented that way.

I'm a Oneness believer, and yet even I must say that the Trinity is misunderstood most of the time. Anti-Trinitarians that simply want to bash "the other guy" say that the Trinity is 3 Gods, and polytheism- This is not true!!!

The Trinity, as is held by its proponents, is 1 God comprised of three distinct (not separate) persons, all are God in every sense, yet still are just 1 God.

I'm of the opinion that Oneness proponents should drop the sound bytes and study, for themselves, what their opponents believe (Is this not what the Bible says: to prove all things! When you always look at things from your POV, you don't prove anything, you simply justify your existing beliefs!) What better way to know what you believe than to know, for yourself, why your opponent is wrong!

houston · #74 09-28-2011, 11:07 PM

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houston · #75 09-28-2011, 11:08 PM

JD is trying to convince himself that his new membership at the trinity church is ok.

UnTraditional · #76 09-29-2011, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TruthGuy

I'm a Oneness believer, and yet even I must say that the Trinity is misunderstood most of the time. Anti-Trinitarians that simply want to bash "the other guy" say that the Trinity is 3 Gods, and polytheism- This is not true!!!

The Trinity, as is held by its proponents, is 1 God comprised of three distinct (not separate) persons, all are God in every sense, yet still are just 1 God.

I'm of the opinion that Oneness proponents should drop the sound bytes and study, for themselves, what their opponents believe (Is this not what the Bible says: to prove all things! When you always look at things from your POV, you don't prove anything, you simply justify your existing beliefs!) What better way to know what you believe than to know, for yourself, why your opponent is wrong!

I backslid into Reformed trinitarian theology for a while, and let me tewll you, what they say and what they believe are two different stories. According to them, God is not a person, but is a nature shared by three persons. In this context, you have three gods, not three persons making up one God. How? If you have three persons with a human nature, you have three humans. If you have three persons with a God nature, you have three gods. And this is true. I am not just using talking points someone else made up, but is from their own words and studies. So, your point here friend is mute, because I have studied and I know what they believe and why it is unbiblical.

Norman · #77 09-29-2011, 04:05 AM

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The word "rapture" is a convention to describe a biblical truth.
The word, "Trinity" fits in the same category

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Not so. "Rapture" means "caught up," which is found in the Bible. "Trinity" is usually understood to mean "God in three persons," which is not found in the Bible.

Amanah · #78 09-29-2011, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by UnTraditional

I backslid into Reformed trinitarian theology for a while, and let me tewll you, what they say and what they believe are two different stories. According to them, God is not a person, but is a nature shared by three persons. In this context, you have three gods, not three persons making up one God. How? If you have three persons with a human nature, you have three humans. If you have three persons with a God nature, you have three gods. And this is true. I am not just using talking points someone else made up, but is from their own words and studies. So, your point here friend is mute, because I have studied and I know what they believe and why it is unbiblical.

be careful, it's not politically correct on this forum to tell the truth. People may not want to believe there is a difference in the doctrine, but there is. Trins don't believe that Jesus is the Father. Trins think Oneness people are heretics. Trins baptize in the titles.

The protestant reformation happened because someone said, wait a minute, something isn't right here. Luther's intent was not to say that his church was on its way to hell, he just wanted to reform it because he read his bible and saw something more. He didn't leave the church, they kicked him out.

The Oneness people saw something more, they didn't leave the trins, the trins forced them out.

Now apparently we want back in and are backtracking to make amends I guess. We don't have to give up truth to want to fellowship with other HG filled people. Unless they won't have us until we do.

deacon blues · #79 09-29-2011, 04:44 AM

The word "Oneness" isn't in the Bible either. In fact, Oneness means "unity". This is what trinitarians believe about God. They say God is a tri-unity. I don't tell people I am Oneness. I tell people I believe in God and Jesus is His name. I recognize there is One God and that there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit and these three are one.

I recognize that distinctions are made between the three revealings of God. Jesus speaks of the Father as though He is somebody other than Himself, prays to the Father, defers glory and praise to the Father, says that what He spoke came from the Father, not of Himself. He also speaks of the Holy Spirit as though He were someone other than Himself. He calls Him "another Comforter" and says that He, Jesus, must go so that the Holy Spirit will come and speaks of the HS as "he", rasther than "me". These distinctions seem to be anomolies to the One God paradigm. The disciples post-resurrection continue the distinctions. "Grace to you from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ" is evoked often throughout the Epistles.

I think it is the height of arrogance to say that "we've got God figured out". Oneness ppl do it. Trinitarians do it. We can understand one. That's simple. We can understand three. That's simple. Now we see through a glass darkly, then face to face. We shall see Jesus as He is. We do all, whether in word or deed, in the name of Jesus. The Father is all about bringing glory to Jesus. The Holy Spirit testifies and points to Jesus. I refer to God as God the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit. I'm not comfortable with "God the Son" and "God the Spirit" since they are not Biblical terms.

The Bible does not declare anywhere that you must have a perfect understanding of the Godhead to be saved. "Except you believe that I am He" in context is Jesus telling the Pharisees that unless they believed He was their Messiah, they would die in their sins. Jesus then says, "...He who sent me is true..." And the next verse says "They did not understand that He spoke to them of the Father." To interpret thast to mean that unless you have a "Oneness" understanding of God, you are lost is unbiblical teaching. Even the early One God believers in the 1900s called trinitarians their brothers.

I believe in One God. I believe in Jesus. Trinitarians would say the same thing. That's good enough for me. If they are not brothers, why does God baptize them with the Holy Ghost? Peter said, "So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us." Acts 15:8 (NKJV).

Amanah · #80 09-29-2011, 04:46 AM

Holy Ghost filled, One God, Jesus name preachers are taking our glory and show casing it for the world in charismatic circles, but are not quite forthcoming about our roots. Maybe it's working now, but what about the next generation?

I'm not saying to not fellowship with other HG filled people, not at all.

Maybe I'm deceived that thinking the Oneness of God and Jesus name baptism are precious truths that I think should be freely preached despite whether its popular or not. despite whether TBN will give you a spot or not.