Effective evangelists?

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So much for my LOGOS program.

You should have known that program was trash just by the name!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

You should have known that program was trash just by the name!

[good samaritan]

A quick example of the translation differences is

KJV Genesis 12:13 Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister:that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee. 14 And it came to pass, that, when Abram was come into Egypt, the Egyptians beheld the woman that she was very fair. 15 The princes also of Pharaoh saw her, and commended her before Pharaoh:and the woman was taken into Pharaoh's house. 16 And he entreated Abram well for her sake:and he had sheep, and oxen, and he asses, and menservants, and maidservants, and she asses, and camels.

NIV Genesis 12:13 Say you are my sister, so that I will be treated well for your sake and my life will be spared because of you.” 14 When Abram came to Egypt, the Egyptians saw that Sarai was a very beautiful woman. 15 And when Pharaoh’s officials saw her, they praised her to Pharaoh, and she was taken into his palace. 16 He treated Abram well for her sake, and Abram acquired sheep and cattle, male and female donkeys, male and female servants, and camels.

The NIV doesn't contradict the KJV, but it does add a little more to the motivations of Abraham. The NIV reads as if Abraham solicits his wife for gain, where as the KJV leaves us with the idea that it was for merely his protection from the Egyptians. The NIV may be right own, but with my limited understanding of Hebrew I can't confirm it from a simple Strong's. I prefer the KJV, but this translation doesn't bother me. Just giving something I noticed today.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

We use Reina Valera, KJV, and many different translations so everyone can understand. No one doubts that the original manuscripts are reliable, and the Word of God. Translation into any language can face some problems, I work from the pulpit with Spanish, also sometimes French, and Creole translators, you can hear things being missed in the translation. Yet, does that negate the original words coming out of my mouth? No, therefore we have a huge library of original manuscripts, fragments, also new manuscripts which were found in the 1940s. All affirming and never contradicting what we have with us today. The scriptures admonish us to STUDY to show ourselves approved unto God. Therefore it is commendable for any student to search out the ancient words, archaeological findings, to read Bible encyclopedias to understand the Biblical cultures. I look at it this way, the spirit of Truth will guide you into all TRUTH? Therefore Jesus is the author and FINISHER of our faith, so I trust in Him to give me Truth with His word in my Bible. Whether that is my Thompson Chain Reference KJV, lexicons, dictionaries, and concordances. Oh, and my WORD program.

I like that, the Spirit of Truth will guide you into all Truth, not the KJV translators.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I personally enjoy many translations of the Bible for study. I mostly use a Strong's KJV on my laptop and it saves a lot of time finding things and their Hebrew/Greek meaning. I have seen several words that no longer have the same English meaning as they did when the KJV was translated. I still believe, even with the old English it is the most reliable.

I have seen a lot of people discredit the KJV by totally redefining what it is actually saying; that many times causes doubt in the infallibility of the Word of God. I don't discredit any Bible, but I recommend the KJV over any other. If someone has a NIV when they come to our church that is fine. If they don't have a KJV we will try to get them one if they continue to attend. All the scripture we use in the church will be KJV and it will be easier for them to follow along if we are reading the same English.

Some people do not know better.
We are not supposed to use other versions to discredit or redefine the KJV, we are supposed to use other versions to augment, increment or increase the meaning of the KJV, at least that is how I use other versions.

In the multitude of counselors there is safety so likewise in the multitude of translations there is safety.

I read a passage of the Bible in English and I get knowledge and understanding, then I read that passage of the Bible in Spanish and my knowledge and understanding of that passage is augmented; as I read other versions of the same passage my knowledge and understanding of that passage increases even more.

Every time that I read that passage in a different translation, my knowledge and understanding grows even more.

see how I used different words (augment, increment, increase, grow) yet they all basically mean the same. It is the same when reading the Bible in different versions.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

A quick example of the translation differences is

The NIV doesn't contradict the KJV, but it does add a little more to the motivations of Abraham. The NIV reads as if Abraham solicits his wife for gain, where as the KJV leaves us with the idea that it was for merely his protection from the Egyptians. The NIV may be right own, but with my limited understanding of Hebrew I can't confirm it from a simple Strong's. I prefer the KJV, but this translation doesn't bother me. Just giving something I noticed today.

this only incremented your understanding of the passage by giving you a different view. you got more knowledge by using a different version.

that is what reading different versions is supposed to do for you, it is to increase your knowledge and understanding.

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

The NIV doesn't contradict the KJV, but it does add a little more to the motivations of Abraham. The NIV reads as if Abraham solicits his wife for gain, where as the KJV leaves us with the idea that it was for merely his protection from the Egyptians. The NIV may be right own, but with my limited understanding of Hebrew I can't confirm it from a simple Strong's. I prefer the KJV, but this translation doesn't bother me. Just giving something I noticed today.

Yeah. We don't really know his motive there.

The only real problem I have with the NIV is the verses it leaves out altogether, such as Matthew 17:21. The NIV from biblestudytools.com reads:

Matthew 17:20 He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you. " 22 When they came together in Galilee, he said to them, "The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men.

I've also found that to be the with the print NIV bibles I had.
That would be fine if it incorporated the text with another verse, but it doesn't.

The KJV still has it.

Matthew17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove ; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. 21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting. 22 And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:

It's not the only verse left out -- just the one that stuck out to me first... and it's about prayer and fasting! Not cool IMO!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

Yeah. We don't really know his motive there.

The only real problem I have with the NIV is the verses it leaves out altogether, such as Matthew 17:21. The NIV from biblestudytools.com reads:

Matthew 17:20 He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you. " 22 When they came together in Galilee, he said to them, "The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men.

I've also found that to be the with the print NIV bibles I had.
That would be fine if it incorporated the text with another verse, but it doesn't.

The KJV still has it.

Matthew17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove ; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. 21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting. 22 And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:

It's not the only verse left out -- just the one that stuck out to me first... and it's about prayer and fasting! Not cool IMO!

My issue with the NIV would be along these lines as well. We have had people change from NIV to NKJV, KJV without problem once they were able to see the difference. Sister thank you for this post.

I don't force, or intimidate anyone to change a Bible version. We teach from all different translations, and me telling Spanish speakers and French Creole speakers that they MUST speak 17th century English to have God's Word is farcical.

[good samaritan]

The NIV is not the only translation that omits that verse in Mathew 17? Does anyone know why they justify leaving out this verse?

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

My issue with the NIV would be along these lines as well. We have had people change from NIV to NKJV, KJV without problem once they were able to see the difference. Sister thank you for this post.

I don't force, or intimidate anyone to change a Bible version. We teach from all different translations, and me telling Spanish speakers and French Creole speakers that they MUST speak 17th century English to have God's Word is farcical.

Originally Posted by good samaritan

The NIV is not the only translation that omits that verse in Mathew 17? Does anyone know why they justify leaving out this verse?

Not sure if they justify it at all. I just know that prayer and fasting are important concepts the Lord taught to His disciples.