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12-03-2014, 03:42 PM
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Re: Circumcision of the heart
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Do not the scriptures teach we are made alive by the Spirit?
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Yes, the Spirit is involved in every area of our conversion: bringing us to faith, repentance, during water baptism the Spirit performs a circumcision of our heart, as well as filling us with himself and then sanctifying us, glorifying us, etc.
Iow, the Spirit making us alive is not necessarily Spirit baptism but the work of the Spirit in salvation.
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12-03-2014, 04:42 PM
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Re: Circumcision of the heart
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Technically it says born of water, but the issue is new birth. I disagree water here indicates natural birth from the womb. So it can only mean new birth of water. Jesus did use the term "born again."
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Indeed, the issue is new birth. A birth that I believe is spiritual. It's always amazed me how we apostolics equate baptism to a burial throughout the scriptures...except for John 3.
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12-03-2014, 08:32 PM
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Re: Circumcision of the heart
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Indeed, the issue is new birth. A birth that I believe is spiritual. It's always amazed me how we apostolics equate baptism to a burial throughout the scriptures...except for John 3. |
It's still a burial, but moreso a death. But it requires death to the old man first with the water. It's a sequential process.
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12-03-2014, 09:03 PM
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Re: Circumcision of the heart
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It's still a burial, but moreso a death. But it requires death to the old man first with the water. It's a sequential process.
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No, it's not. At the moment you receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost, is when you are born again.
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12-03-2014, 09:16 PM
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Re: Circumcision of the heart
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No, it's not. At the moment you receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost, is when you are born again.
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I disagree. Peter proceeded to baptize the Gentiles after a visions commanding Him to do so, with a serious mandate, for more reasons than your view seems to allow.
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12-03-2014, 09:19 PM
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Re: Circumcision of the heart
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I disagree. Peter proceeded to baptize the Gentiles after a visions commanding Him to do so, with a serious mandate, for more reasons than your view seems to allow.
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Again...guess we're done here. Thank you for your input.
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12-03-2014, 09:24 PM
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Re: Circumcision of the heart
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Phew. Touchy.
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No, not touchy. You come off as a smug know-it-all who has never been outside the box. I regret ever entering into any discussion with you...and will not make that mistake in the future.
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12-03-2014, 09:28 PM
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Re: Circumcision of the heart
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Excuse me!
(Wow.)
Next time you make the mistake of reading anything I post, notice I have a disclaimer at the end of all my posts saying "...my thoughts anyway," so I do not have to say that all the time.
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And this gives you license to be a jerk?
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12-03-2014, 09:30 PM
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Re: Circumcision of the heart
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And this gives you license to be a jerk?
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I thought you were done posting to me. Bye!
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12-03-2014, 09:40 PM
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Re: Circumcision of the heart
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No, it's not. At the moment you receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost, is when you are born again.
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According to some people, that's a know-it-all smug answer.
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