Spiritual Co-dendency in the churches?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by COOPER

What ever Coon, sit in the seat of scornful.
I do not like the UPC attitude, especially from Card holding members.
If any one does not fall down and obey they are contempt of ministry?
Many good men have left UPC and are Pastoring good churches.
They have seen a better way.
any way ..................
I do not express my self diplomatically but I do speak honestly.

See, this is probably why you will get nowhere. You constantly turn every discussion into a lopsides attack of the UPC. That's a logical fallacy of a sweeping generalization and I think you know that. That's part of the problem I have with you personally....because you keep doing it. It's not "the UPC attitude"...you can find any attitude in any organization and that does not make it owned by that organization nor does it make it the norm for all.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by COOPER

I know I would never obey you Coon.
and would never obey any other Pastor with your attitude.
Frankly this obey in the word means to obey pecking order, as to keep an orderly function in the body.
It says obey, not bow down to some power tripping pastor that twist the word to get his way with human beings.

Coop, again you make it personal.

I have never in my most whacked out moment suggested that you ought to obey me...good grief.

As for my attitude, I have on numerous occasions reached out to you in kindness and sincerity, only to be virtually spat on again.

However, I don't take it personally, so if you are happy, so am I.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I think might should be will, otherwise it might sound like you have a problem with authority in general.
I might ,if I trust.

You won't trust any man? Did you mean it to sound that way?
I do not trust any one, any more. as far as pastors go.

bashing an entire group based on a the experiences of a few preachers.

Thanks for answering

So will I, though that is an extreme example and I can certainly tell you no UPC Pastor even even remotely suggested I do that.



I would be leary or larry too (or is it leery?) If they often said that. On the other hand I would be leery of preachers or non-preachers that are always

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

See, this is probably why you will get nowhere. You constantly turn every discussion into a lopsides attack of the UPC. That's a logical fallacy of a sweeping generalization and I think you know that. That's part of the problem I have with you personally....because you keep doing it. It's not "the UPC attitude"...you can find any attitude in any organization and that does not make it owned by that organization nor does it make it the norm for all.

I agree, Coon is UPC and I was.
I know no other group.
So UPC is what I talk about, so what?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by COOPER

So will I, though that is an extreme example and I can certainly tell you no UPC Pastor even even remotely suggested I do that.



I would be leary or larry too (or is it leery?) If they often said that. On the other hand I would be leery of preachers or non-preachers that are always

coop you messed up my answer which makes it seem like I said what YOU said and you said what I said. I said the above.

Below, the parts in red COOP said.

I think might should be will, otherwise it might sound like you have a problem with authority in general.
I might ,if I trust.

You won't trust any man? Did you mean it to sound that way?
I do not trust any one, any more. as far as pastors go.

bashing an entire group based on a the experiences of a few preachers.

Thanks for answering

I think everyone here can see the problem you have. You should not make this about the UPC or CS. You have a problem. First of all you might sounds like "I might do the will of God when I find out what it is"

Second, you do not trust anyone....any more...shows you have past unresoved issues and I don't see how what you do here or at NFCF is helping to resolve that and perhaps it just reinforces it.

You may not be able to admit that at this point, I can only hope the Lord heals your heart

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by COOPER

I agree, Coon is UPC and I was.
I know no other group.
So UPC is what I talk about, so what?

So what? You know so what. You know exactly what I mean. You are being intellectually dishonest when you willingly, knowingly perpetuate that same LOGICAL fallacy. You know it's wrong to make such a judgement on the WHOLE UPC when you know it is NOT true of the entire UPC and quite frankly it get's nauseating to see you do it over and over

[Whole Hearted]

Just more preacher haters. No body gonna tell me what to do.

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Just more preacher haters. No body gonna tell me what to do.

If you're going to make this statement...you're going to HAVE to look at the REASON why he got that way, aren't you?

[Whole Hearted]

It's called rebellion. No body gonna tell me what to do. started in the garden.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

If you're going to make this statement...you're going to HAVE to look at the REASON why he got that way, aren't you?

Don't feed the catfish..