Should we teach others to rebel against standards?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Hey, why do you anti-beard folk feel the need to add to the Bible? I mean, isn't the Bible sufficient in itself to guide man, or does your God need a little help from y'all?

We need a Bible revival.

Well I guess God forgot to tell us everything we needed to do to get saved, like shave the beards and some other minor little additions.

Perhaps we need to add another book to the bible so that it is complete.
Maybe the manual of standards of the XYZ church.

[Sister Alvear]

Since I am a lady beards are really not my problem...but thinking about this : Was Jesus not a Jew? If so it seems that Jesus wore a beard. He followed Jewish law, (?) which prohibited adult males from ‘disfiguring the edges of their beard.’ (Leviticus 19:27; Galatians 4:4) Also, the Bible mentions Jesus’ beard in a prophecy about his suffering.​—Isaiah 50:6.of course I have heard this was because he was not able to shave and his beard grew...
Now not speaking about standards or authority of the pastor...just the fact that it seems that Jewish men did have beards....

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Since I am a lady beards are really not my problem...but thinking about this : Was Jesus not a Jew? If so it seems that Jesus wore a beard. He followed Jewish law, (?) which prohibited adult males from ‘disfiguring the edges of their beard.’ (Leviticus 19:27; Galatians 4:4) Also, the Bible mentions Jesus’ beard in a prophecy about his suffering.​—Isaiah 50:6.of course I have heard this was because he was not able to shave and his beard grew...
Now not speaking about standards or authority of the pastor...just the fact that it seems that Jewish men did have beards....

AND THIS....is the whole issue. We would love to be able to invite people who are seeking more truth....to a Church where we dont have to apologize to them that WE who are supposed to have more truth than them.....also have man made traditions born neither of chapter nor verse.

And how any of us could with a straight face preach beards are WORLDLY when one was worn by the Creator, the Lord Jesus Christ, as well as his Apostles and then call ourselves Apostolic is beyond me.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The church culture?

Should we really get into that? Do you mean the church where I was the only minority attending and was looked upon with suspicion because of my culture.

Do you mean the church culture that I was supposed to adopt if I wanted to be saved. Where my clothing and food were unknown and I was encouraged to discard so I could fit into that culture.

and even though they did not said it out-loud, it was hinted that my culture was somehow wrong or inferior. Is that the church culture you are talking about?

I never said anything about that, that was a quote from Martin Ballestero btw.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I never said anything about that, that was a quote from Martin Ballestero btw.

Yeah you quoted from someone else, so do you agree fully with those statements?

So if we want to be saved then do we need to adopt that culture?
So what culture did Peter and Paul had?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Since I am a lady beards are really not my problem...but thinking about this : Was Jesus not a Jew? If so it seems that Jesus wore a beard. He followed Jewish law, (?) which prohibited adult males from ‘disfiguring the edges of their beard.’ (Leviticus 19:27; Galatians 4:4) Also, the Bible mentions Jesus’ beard in a prophecy about his suffering.​—Isaiah 50:6.of course I have heard this was because he was not able to shave and his beard grew...
Now not speaking about standards or authority of the pastor...just the fact that it seems that Jewish men did have beards....

I really love your missionary work, and I have deep respect for missionaries, and I wish there were more of them, but what I am totally against is the attitude of many missionaries who want to change the early converts to an American culture.

Many missionaries just try to make their converts into copies of Americans instead of Christians.

Since I know that you are a reasonable person I am sure that you allow people in Brazil to retain their culture and music instead of imposing on them American church norms and music.

Keep up the good work sister.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Yeah you quoted from someone else, so do you agree fully with those statements?

So if we want to be saved then do we need to adopt that culture?
So what culture did Peter and Paul had?

No, I just know he was stating the difference in between the Apostolic organizations. If you read the Charismatic and Pentecostal Encyclopedia it says the same thing about the history of organizations.

No no one said it takes adhering to standards to be saved. That's crazy and all the stuff being said here is all about beards. Which for the record I didn't start this conversation, it was brought to me.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Since I am a lady beards are really not my problem...but thinking about this : Was Jesus not a Jew? If so it seems that Jesus wore a beard. He followed Jewish law, (?) which prohibited adult males from ‘disfiguring the edges of their beard.’ (Leviticus 19:27; Galatians 4:4) Also, the Bible mentions Jesus’ beard in a prophecy about his suffering.​—Isaiah 50:6.of course I have heard this was because he was not able to shave and his beard grew...
Now not speaking about standards or authority of the pastor...just the fact that it seems that Jewish men did have beards....

Sister Alvear? Where did the Apostle Paul admonish anyone to grow a beard? What about his Roman Judeans of the Diaspora brethren or Roman brethren, who may or may not had beards? Also does your husband have a beard? Does your son have a beard? Any of the Alvears pro beard?

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

It is the duty of the Holy Spirit to purge us of wicked works and evil imaginations. Lust is not controlled by neck-lines and sleeve length and lack of facial hair, or anything else you can name. It is controlled by an endowment of spiritual fortitude from the Lord Jesus Himself, so that we can become more like Him and less like our carnal selves.

If we are going to talk about lust in the sexual sin sense, then BY ALL MEANS YES WE NEED TO TAKE PRECAUTIONS to guard against lust and all other sexual sins.

Modesty is beautiful but it also serves as a deterrent against sin. There are practical lifestyle changes that believers can make that will help them in their walk. Avoiding low-cut blouses that expose the breast, tight fitting shirts, skirts and jeans that highlight body parts-- these are good, common sense "standards" to uphold. Some guys even feel the need to avoid sweatpants-- I won't dissuade him.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Since I am a lady beards are really not my problem...but thinking about this : Was Jesus not a Jew? If so it seems that Jesus wore a beard. He followed Jewish law, (?) which prohibited adult males from ‘disfiguring the edges of their beard.’ (Leviticus 19:27; Galatians 4:4) Also, the Bible mentions Jesus’ beard in a prophecy about his suffering.​—Isaiah 50:6.of course I have heard this was because he was not able to shave and his beard grew...
Now not speaking about standards or authority of the pastor...just the fact that it seems that Jewish men did have beards....

I think history shows that facial hair was a lot more common throughout history than men without it. It is absurd for Pentecostals to try to act like that is not the case. Clean shaven men is pretty much a modern idea. I don't have facial hair but certainly know that there is no biblical restraint against having it.

I think Jesus would be shocked at some of the things preached against today. The bible has been twisted and stretched so much you would think it is a rubber band!