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Old 06-15-2009, 11:15 PM
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We used corporal punishment raising our kids but it was spankings with a belt instead of kitchen utinsels!

The school and TV had so indoctrinated the kids against possible child abuse that one time when my oldest son was about 10 and had gotten a spanking he threatened to call the police on me. That did not go over very well.

When my daughter tells people she plans on spanking her daughter when she gets older if she needs it they tell her that she won't really do it. She tells them that they don't know her family. We don't put up with bratty kids.

My kids had a great life growing up and got to do lots of things but they were well behaved 99.5% of the time because they knew there were consequences to not behaving.

My three kids are two years apart between each one and they were so well behaved in elementary school and such good students that the teachers fought over who would get the younger ones as they came up.
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"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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Old 06-16-2009, 09:03 AM
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We used corporal punishment raising our kids but it was spankings with a belt instead of kitchen utinsels!

The school and TV had so indoctrinated the kids against possible child abuse that one time when my oldest son was about 10 and had gotten a spanking he threatened to call the police on me. That did not go over very well.

When my daughter tells people she plans on spanking her daughter when she gets older if she needs it they tell her that she won't really do it. She tells them that they don't know her family. We don't put up with bratty kids.

My kids had a great life growing up and got to do lots of things but they were well behaved 99.5% of the time because they knew there were consequences to not behaving.

My three kids are two years apart between each one and they were so well behaved in elementary school and such good students that the teachers fought over who would get the younger ones as they came up.
When my daughter was little, I went to spank her with a kitchen utensil and she twisted and started to bolt and I accidentally hit her above the eye with it! She did get a bruise and I was terrified!! I thought for sure they were going to be knocking on my door!! They never came, thank God!!

When I was working at the Domestic Abuse Shelter, I saw some horror stories involving kids and social services. Social Services is needed in some cases and in others they are like a stick of dynamite blowing an already negative situation to bits.
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After my dad died my mom had three kids to raise. She found it hard to cope & turned to alcohol for a crutch.
I still got my share of wallops from a wooden spoon, wooden ruler, or those old slippers that slip on.
Mom actually broke a few rulers & spoons on ,me (I told you I was hardheaded PO) & while I hated it at the time, I understand it now.
My kids never got a spanking like I got.

I just dislike the practice of Social Services & thier policy of, "you are guilty--prove you are innocent!"
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After my dad died my mom had three kids to raise. She found it hard to cope & turned to alcohol for a crutch.
I still got my share of wallops from a wooden spoon, wooden ruler, or those old slippers that slip on.
Mom actually broke a few rulers & spoons on ,me (I told you I was hardheaded PO) & while I hated it at the time, I understand it now.
My kids never got a spanking like I got.

I just dislike the practice of Social Services & thier policy of, "you are guilty--prove you are innocent!"
Neither have mine!

Ever been hit with a clothes hanger or a starch can?!!! I didn't turn my mother in, but sometimes I didn't like her very much!

My husband has been beaten by his father until his father could hardly breath. He thanks the Lord that he didn't carry that over into his family life now, although, when his eyes glaze over, I'm out of there.
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Neither have mine!

Ever been hit with a clothes hanger or a starch can?!!! I didn't turn my mother in, but sometimes I didn't like her very much!

My husband has been beaten by his father until his father could hardly breath. He thanks the Lord that he didn't carry that over into his family life now, although, when his eyes glaze over, I'm out of there.


Our parents might have stepped over to extremes at times but I was never the worse for wear.
She never left a mark except for a redness at the site of the spanking.

We as a society have swung the pendulum to the other end of the spectrum.

I always look at it this way, God in his infinite wisdom gave my wife & I the distinct priviidge of raising "our" kids & we will answer for it.
He didn't give it to the State to raise.

I see some parents in the action of raising thier kids take actions I personally may disagree with but unless a crime is being committed, It is none of my business!
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Old 06-16-2009, 12:33 PM
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Our parents might have stepped over to extremes at times but I was never the worse for wear.
She never left a mark except for a redness at the site of the spanking.

We as a society have swung the pendulum to the other end of the spectrum.

I always look at it this way, God in his infinite wisdom gave my wife & I the distinct priviidge of raising "our" kids & we will answer for it.
He didn't give it to the State to raise.

I see some parents in the action of raising thier kids take actions I personally may disagree with but unless a crime is being committed, It is none of my business!
I agree!

Right, we did have a mark of redness, but she never broke skin. That was a blessing!

My dad would just thumb you on the side of the head with his thumb - man that hurt! He would always say, "You bunch of monkeys" - in his deep, slow voice.
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Many years ago I worked for a short time with a nice young man who it turned out had been a full time Baptist Youth pastor before leaving the ministry.

I don't know what the whole story was but one of the proverbial "straw" that broke the camels back was when a teenage girl who was being raised by a single parent, her mom, duped him into turning in the mother for child abuse when she was really just mad at her mother and trying to at her.

The mom had lost her temper with her previously and had gone to anger management training and everything else the state required of her to do to keep her daugther. She was trying as hard as she could to be a good mom and then this Youth Pastor turned her in on a lie. When the daughter finally admitted she had made the abuse up to hurt her mom it was almost impossible to undo the damage done.

Sadly the very systems set up in place to protect children can themselves be abused to hurt innocent parents.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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Many years ago I worked for a short time with a nice young man who it turned out had been a full time Baptist Youth pastor before leaving the ministry.

I don't know what the whole story was but one of the proverbial "straw" that broke the camels back was when a teenage girl who was being raised by a single parent, her mom, duped him into turning in the mother for child abuse when she was really just mad at her mother and trying to at her.

The mom had lost her temper with her previously and had gone to anger management training and everything else the state required of her to do to keep her daugther. She was trying as hard as she could to be a good mom and then this Youth Pastor turned her in on a lie. When the daughter finally admitted she had made the abuse up to hurt her mom it was almost impossible to undo the damage done.

Sadly the very systems set up in place to protect children can themselves be abused to hurt innocent parents.
That is ironic isn't it?
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