The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post - Page 33

StMark · #**321** 07-24-2008, 04:09 PM

O my !!!! almost 30 people viewing this thread??
Over 300 post and NO Ultra Cons posting that have
a dog in this fight ??????????????????????

Baron1710 · #**322** 07-24-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

switch the word searching for vulnerable and a lot of folk would agree with you.

What a weak buch of folks, or weak teachings.

rgcraig · #**323** 07-24-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by StMark

O my !!!! almost 30 people viewing this thread??
Over 300 post and NO Ultra Cons posting that have
a dog in this fight ??????????????????????

I thought they voted you as their voice!

deltaguitar · #**324** 07-24-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Renda, you're a great gal, but this statement is baloney.

I love Daniel, but he has influenced many, many readers to walk away from some things I hold dear.

MOW, Daniel and Timlan have repeatedly stated that they post here to influence others.

Right, but so many are wanting to be influenced. There are just to many inconsistencies in our beliefs that people want answers.

However, I am noticing a trend among many people that I know. They want the standards preached but they don't want to follow them. They pick and choose which ones they will follow. If this continues, it won't matter what is preached, people won't care and they sure won't come to this forum searching.

rgcraig · #**325** 07-24-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

What a weak buch of folks, or weak teachings.

Exactly my thinking.

Does that mean that what they already believed was because they were venerable?

This can go both ways guys!

If they were so weak to be persuaded by this magical person Daniel, then that tells me where they were persuaded in the first place to believe what they did.

rgcraig · #**326** 07-24-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Right, but so many are wanting to be influenced. There are just to many inconsistencies in our beliefs that people want answers.

However, I am noticing a trend among many people that I know. They want the standards preached but they don't want to follow them. They pick and choose which ones they will follow. If this continues, it won't matter what is preached, people won't care and they sure won't come to this forum searching.

Wanting to be influenced or to see outside the circle - get answers for the inconsistencies?

AmericanAngel · #**327** 07-24-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

dont stop now. we have to get clairity.

lets start with the fact that I do not believe cutting ones hair sends them to hell. I dont even buy the "obey your pastor" deal that gets taught.

I never have. I have never been part of a church that taught that.

I hope that is a good starting point.

let me restate this more clearly.

Conservitives who believe that this and other standards issues (like television) are heaven and hell issues BELIEVE THAT.

So it isnt a fair comparison for you to take their core belief and treat it like they are bashing others for stating their core belief.

those that dont believe these things, typically hold to a classic "orthodox chiristian" belief that Grace is all that is needed and beyond the "Sins" listed in the bible, arent likely to start telling folk they are going to hell.... in general.

Surely we can agree on these points. Therefore, you are not making a fair comparison. hows that?

Very well said.

Nahum · #**328** 07-24-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

I will state for the umpteenth time - - Daniel didn't influence people out of the clear blue. The people that Daniel influenced were searching, questioning already. You guys act like he has some magical power over people.

PP, I've seen you change in the time that I've known you. What do you attribute that to?

Okay, here goes.

I have been ever evolving since about the mid-nineties. AFF is not the cause of the evolution. I have evolved because there are just some things I cannot find in scripture.

It all started when my best friend and I started having a Bible study in my living room back in 1993. It was the summer after I graduated from Gateway. We searched everything. We came away enlightened and, at the same time, disappointed.

Disappointed because we had been sold a bill of goods that just wasn't true. We came away with the firm belief that our core doctrine was as solid as a rock, and we hold to that same doctrine today. I have never believed there is any other proper response to the gospel than Acts 2:38.

However, I have changed my mind on many issues that I consider non-essential. My mind was changed before I ever typed my first post on AFF.

Now, as to Daniel.

I believe Daniel is one of the most intelligent men I have ever met, in any setting. I believe this because of my interaction with him on and off of this forum. I also believe Daniel has an agenda. His agenda is to hybridize Oneness and Trinitarian believers. His agenda is to minimize the necessity of water baptism in Jesus Name. His agenda is to tear down some history.

Saying all of that does not mean I do not love and respect him dearly, because I do. I just disagree vehemently with his theology and tactics.

MissBrattified · #**329** 07-24-2008, 04:16 PM

Don't we all wish to influence others to agree with us? I mean, I don't necessarily mind if someone disagrees with me, but isn't the point of persuasive conversation and debate to convince the other party that you are right and they are wrong? Or, in some conversations, to mutually come up with a satisfactory explanation or solution to a question or problem?

IF the conservatives who have left wish to indicate that they have no desire to change anyone's mind about any topic, and don't wish to have any influence with any member of this forum, then they will have a legitimate complaint, since that will make the conversation one-sided. However, we ALL know that's not the case.

The nature of the forum is that we will disagree with one another, we will present our views, and each of us will hope to convince another person that our understanding is the correct one.

It's easy to call your own persuasive writing "concern", and your opponent's posts an "agenda."

AmericanAngel · #**330** 07-24-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Deep in my heart I have a fear of judging...maybe it is good maybe not...but that is just me...
Most all know I really am considered more than just a con probably UC...however I do not want to be judged by the UC´s or the Liberal´s...I would fail in both areas. I want to be judged by the God that became weak like me,cried over a city,hid at times from the people, prayed for strength in a garden, was tempted by the devil, misunderstood by the people, prayed twice for the blind man to see, stumbled and fell beneath the cross…and in his darkest hour he cried out wondering why he was forsaken…
I would think He would have more mercy than most…Yes, I do want Him to be my judge and Him alone...I cast myself at His feet and cry mercy!

Thankyou Sister Alvear. I think the same way. I strive to not judge.