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[RhemaLogos]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Some might call "turn about" hypocrisy. If it's wrong for them it's wrong for you.

Yes, the hypocrites are the first to cry hypocrisy when their false dogma and dead works are exposed.

It's sarcastic ironic humor more than anything. I'll even send you some Lady Schicks. LOL.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by RhemaLogos

Out of curiosity... where is the bolded in scripture? The admonition was to not mar the corners of the beard. Why have you added the "if..."?

I couldn't care less if someone has a beard or not. But if other alleged standards are an issue of gender distinction, then a smooth-shaven face is effeminate by that standard.

The real Gospel is ontological, so "doing" is only releveant to "being" IN Christ. No amount of doing or not doing will cause one to be IN Christ.

I have a better question, where does it say "You must grow a beard"?

It doesn't. As I said, ALL the bible does is give guidelines on how to trim your beard.

The gospel is ontological? lol...please explain what "the gospel is ontological" means.

Lev 14:9 And on the seventh day he shall shave off all his hair from his head, his beard, and his eyebrows. He shall shave off all his hair, and then he shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and he shall be clean.

Hmmm. God's word prescribes being smooth skinned...does that mean in God's eyes he wanted me to be effeminate?

Got a question of you...since you asked where does it say "if he has a beard"...

How do you interpret this verse?
Lev 19:29 "Do not profane your daughter by making her a prostitute, lest the land fall into prostitution and the land become full of depravity.

Does that mean everyone in Israel had a daughter? Or does it mean IF you have a daughter don't make her a prostitute?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by RhemaLogos

Yes, the hypocrites are the first to cry hypocrisy when their false dogma and dead works are exposed.

It's sarcastic ironic humor more than anything. I'll even send you some Lady Schicks. LOL.

Please elaborate on my dogma, if you know what it is?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by RhemaLogos

And... You're a Dodgers fan. A Dodgers fan!!!!

And?

[RhemaLogos]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Please elaborate on my dogma, if you know what it is?

I wasn't referring to anything about your dogma, whatever it may be. My statement was general, not personal.

[RhemaLogos]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I have a better question, where does it say "You must grow a beard"?

Evidently you don't realize Judaism forbade any blade/s to be used to shave any portion of the beard. Only two-bladed devices could be used to trim the length, but never was the beard allowed to be shaved or the corners trimmed with the blade of a razor.

It doesn't. As I said, ALL the bible does is give guidelines on how to trim your beard.

Right. No razors. Period. That was historical Judaism, not my opinion or speculation.

The gospel is ontological? lol...please explain what "the gospel is ontological" means.

We're IN Christ. By our faith hypostasis, our hypostasis has put off our prosopon (the old man) and is in the hypostasis of God, having put on the prosopon of Christ.

It's the Gospel of Paul, entrusted to Him by God. Ontological means we literally live and move and have our being in Christ. It's our underlying reality of existence now. Our ontology. Our being. We are to reckon ourselves dead, and alive IN Christ.

Few understand the true Gospel, especially among Apostolics. "Being" is supplanted with "doing". The "doing" should be by faith, not dead works. That's what the Law prescribed.

Lev 14:9 And on the seventh day he shall shave off all his hair from his head, his beard, and his eyebrows. He shall shave off all his hair, and then he shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and he shall be clean.

Ummm.... This was the cleansing ritual for lepers. Are you somehow insisting this being applied typologically?

More likely, you're just erroneously proof-texting, it would seem.

Hmmm. God's word prescribes being smooth skinned...does that mean in God's eyes he wanted me to be effeminate?

You're a leper? And this ceremonial cleansing was a permanent mandate to shave until your physical death rather than a one-time event?

This is just silly and ignorant handling of the text. I truly anticipated more. I've always thought your posts to be poignant and insightful, even though I'm just an occasional interloper at AFF.

Got a question of you...since you asked where does it say "if he has a beard"...

How do you interpret this verse?
Lev 19:29 "Do not profane your daughter by making her a prostitute, lest the land fall into prostitution and the land become full of depravity.

Does that mean everyone in Israel had a daughter? Or does it mean IF you have a daughter don't make her a prostitute?

No. Just as those who couldn't physically grow a beard were exempted from having a beard.

Since I'm not under the Law and I look into the perfect Law of Liberty and have the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus, I don't feel compelled to either have OR shave my beard.

I wear my beard for a general sense of gender distinction. It's a personal dedication that has no application for the entire body of Christ. I have the same type of dedication in many other areas of my life. They're all works of faith, not dead works.

But if someone is going to be living out of Leviticus and Deuteronomy, adhering to the Old Covenant and Judaism; they should have a beard that is never razor-cut or razor-trimmed. The pick-and-choose from the Mosaic Law is maddeningly inane.

See 2Samuel 10:4-5 for an event and meaning you should be aware of. But you presented a leper cleansing passage above, so I don't really presume such awareness.

In the end, I don't if men shave or grow beards. There isn't any valid mandate either way under the New Covenant of the Christian faith. All that drivel is man's traditions of legalism beyond Law, and is mostly from historical ignorance, like yours of beards and blades in Judaism.

Have a blessed week.

[Miss Scarlett]

Originally Posted by RhemaLogos

Evidently you don't realize Judaism forbade any blade/s to be used to shave any portion of the beard. Only two-bladed devices could be used to trim the length, but never was the beard allowed to be shaved or the corners trimmed with the blade of a razor.



Right. No razors. Period. That was historical Judaism, not my opinion or speculation.



We're IN Christ. By our faith hypostasis, our hypostasis has put off our prosopon (the old man) and is in the hypostasis of God, having put on the prosopon of Christ.

It's the Gospel of Paul, entrusted to Him by God. Ontological means we literally live and move and have our being in Christ. It's our underlying reality of existence now. Our ontology. Our being. We are to reckon ourselves dead, and alive IN Christ.

Few understand the true Gospel, especially among Apostolics. "Being" is supplanted with "doing". The "doing" should be by faith, not dead works. That's what the Law prescribed.




Ummm.... This was the cleansing ritual for lepers. Are you somehow insisting this being applied typologically?

More likely, you're just erroneously proof-texting, it would seem.



You're a leper? And this ceremonial cleansing was a permanent mandate to shave until your physical death rather than a one-time event?

This is just silly and ignorant handling of the text. I truly anticipated more. I've always thought your posts to be poignant and insightful, even though I'm just an occasional interloper at AFF.



No. Just as those who couldn't physically grow a beard were exempted from having a beard.

Since I'm not under the Law and I look into the perfect Law of Liberty and have the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus, I don't feel compelled to either have OR shave my beard.

It's a personal dedication that has no application for the entire body of Christ. I have the same type of dedication in many other areas of my life. They're all works of faith, not dead works.

But if someone is going to be living out of Leviticus and Deuteronomy, adhering to the Old Covenant and Judaism; they should have a beard that is never razor-cut or razor-trimmed. The pick-and-choose from the Mosaic Law is maddeningly inane.

See 2Samuel 10:4-5 for an event and meaning you should be aware of. But you presented a leper cleansing passage above, so I don't really presume such awareness.

In the end, I don't if men shave or grow beards. There isn't any valid mandate either way under the New Covenant of the Christian faith. All that drivel is man's traditions of legalism beyond Law, and is mostly from historical ignorance, like yours of beards and blades in Judaism.

Have a blessed week.

If it's necessary that you wear a beard for " Gender Destinction " there's more problems here than just wearing a beard, maybe you need to check the way you are dressing, or better yet, presenting yourself. Maybe you need to put on some cowboy boots and walk in a plowed field for a week or so.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Miss Scarlett

If it's necessary that you wear a beard for " Gender Destinction " there's more problems here than just wearing a beard, maybe you need to check the way you are dressing, or better yet, presenting yourself. Maybe you need to put on some cowboy boots and walk in a plowed field for a week or so.

[RhemaLogos]

Originally Posted by Miss Scarlett

If it's necessary that you wear a beard for " Gender Destinction " there's more problems here than just wearing a beard, maybe you need to check the way you are dressing, or better yet, presenting yourself. Maybe you need to put on some cowboy boots and walk in a plowed field for a week or so.

Gettin' it from both sides. I never use the word "necessary", or any other such semantic.

There's not much worthwhile in the entire UPC "Apostolic" movement, whether the legalists or the antinomians.

Good and grief. What a mess of nothing.

[Miss Scarlett]

Originally Posted by Miss Scarlett

If it's necessary that you wear a beard for " Gender Destinction " there's more problems here than just wearing a beard, maybe you need to check the way you are dressing, or better yet, presenting yourself. Maybe you need to put on some cowboy boots and walk in a plowed field for a week or so.

Originally Posted by n david

Originally Posted by RhemaLogos

Gettin' it from both sides. I never use the word "necessary", or any other such semantic.

There's not much worthwhile in the entire UPC "Apostolic" movement, whether the legalists or the antinomians.

Good and grief. What a mess of nothing.

Well, you left yourself wide open for that one. " if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. " semantic, antinomians, legalism? Some of these words aren't even found in my dictionary.