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Old 07-11-2011, 04:44 PM
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All human beings are born sinners. It comes easy to us, although my besetting sin may not be the *one* that besets others, necessarily. So with that in mind, it doesn't matter to me whether people choose the homosexual lifestyle or they are born that way. The Bible calls it sinful. The Bible condemns adultery (heterosexual sex practiced outside God's boundaries), and it doesn't matter if you were *born* with an attraction to women who aren't your wife, it's still a sin to take one to bed. You might have been a chronic liar since you were a toddler, and lies might roll easily off your tongue, but that doesn't mean it isn't a sin. Being born with a weakness of character or a fatal attraction does not change the definition of what sin is. God's Word defines sin, and that should be where we look to determine how we live our lives.
That's very true. Also, God allows us to struggle with specific vices in order to prepare us for specific things He wants/needs us to accomplish. For instance PastorTLArt is probably equipped to reach the gay and lesbian community far more than most of us are.
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Old 07-11-2011, 04:47 PM
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Old 07-11-2011, 04:53 PM
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That's very true. Also, God allows us to struggle with specific vices in order to prepare us for specific things He wants/needs us to accomplish. For instance PastorTLArt is probably equipped to reach the gay and lesbian community far more than most of us are.
Except... PTA has just told us homosexual acts are cool with God as long as the participants are married...
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Old 07-11-2011, 05:03 PM
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I knew a guy who was gay until he was past 30. He came to church got saved, lived for God for more than 6 years without relapse, was engaged and then died of AIDS.

He was a great guy.
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As Christians, our response to the issue of homosexuality is twofold:

1. Homosexuality is one of many sins that bring destruction and pain to the life of the sinner. There can be no positive outcome of sin, so compassion for the sinner requires that we lovingly apprise them of their need for change. Withholding truth from the lost is not a loving or compassionate response to their state. Therefore the forum will not shy away from noting what is sin from a scriptural standpoint, providing that truth is shared in love.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

2. The Christian response to a sinner should be the same, no matter what the sin. We should respond with a biblically based solution that illustrates clearly the sinful nature of any particular deed, and also clearly illustrates the compassionate response of Christ to sin. He offers forgiveness to the repentant, plain and simple, and new life in Him. It is not judgmental to acknowledge what is sin, and in fact it is destructive to turn a blind eye to sin. If the lost are not convinced that they are in a position of estrangement from God, they will never be able to come to a place of repentance and be a recipient of His mercy. Therefore, as Christians, both on this forum, and in our personal lives, we should seek to lead sinners to repentance, so they might find new life in Christ.

Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.


II Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

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There are numerous forums online where the gay agenda can be openly proclaimed, even within Christian ranks. There are numerous Christian groups (using the term loosely) who have decided to accept practicing homosexuals as brethren, and perhaps feel they are practicing the love of Christ in doing so. We feel they err, because the love of Christ involves freeing a soul from sin; not encouraging the soul to continue to wallow in the mire.

Therefore, while we allow debate and discussion on the AFF, and we encourage anyone to join who shares an interest in Apostolic topics and concerns, we will not allow an overt attack on biblical values and truths, and upon the character of those who live and preach the same.

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Old 07-11-2011, 05:08 PM
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Re: My First Gay Thread

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I am currently single, and I believe that any type of intimate relationship outside of the bonds of Marriage is sinful, so No, I am not currently "practicing". But I am sure that when the Lord sends me the right person and we enter our covenant that we will live our life just like any married couple.
PastorTLArt, I am sure you are aware of all the scriptures that are out there concerning the practice of homosexuality and you have researched this for yourself. Not only does scripture consider it a sin but also church history has considered it a sin as well.

I do not want to pretend to understand the difficulty of the cross you have had to bear nor do I question your testimony. I have no doubt that what you say is true.

I would sincerely ask that you consider prayerfully your position on gay marriage and homosexual relations within that marriage. Living in biblical community and submitting to those in authority can help us when our struggles and heart try to lead us down the wrong path.
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Old 07-11-2011, 05:18 PM
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I am currently single, and I believe that any type of intimate relationship outside of the bonds of Marriage is sinful, so No, I am not currently "practicing". But I am sure that when the Lord sends me the right person and we enter our covenant that we will live our life just like any married couple.
The part of your post I have highlighted is physically impossible

I am curious how you dismiss the biblical stance against homosexuality? A few years ago I ran acrosos an article / bible study on the internet by a Gay Oneness Pentecostal group and it defied common sense or logic. It was clearly people desperately looking to justify their behavior.
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Old 07-11-2011, 05:38 PM
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Re: My First Gay Thread

I believe having homosexual tendencies can come from several different sources...Physical, Spiritual and the Environment one is raised in...and I HAVE no agenda and yes I know what the Bible says on the subject.I dont focus on peoples sins or faults...perceived or otherwise...cause I'm trying to make it to heaven as well...and knowing well my own imperfections I'm usually too busy trying to remove the log from my own eye.Homosexuality is one of those things that I think are harped on way too much...yes again I KNOW what the Bible says...and I also see our divorce rate and I'm thinking "Hmmm you rail against homosexuals saying they are tearing down the tradtional family unit...but the heterosexual family unit has enough problems within it own walls that it needs to focus on without railing against the gays till you're purple in the face."Harping on a sin or soapbox issue is never a good substitute for true ministry and showing the love of Christ.I'm not saying my opinions are right...they are just what I feel...I believe that some things just get way too much priority while others silently crumble into oblivion.I've never felt uncomfortable around homosexuals...and I've worked with alot of em.
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Re: My First Gay Thread

Anyone who believes that the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is tolerant of homosexuality is strongly deceived and probably lost in sin.

It's one thing to come to the Lord struggling with sinful thoughts, sinful desires and even sinful behaviors with the knowledge and understanding that the sin is sin and is wrong.

It's completely different to state or to even imply that GOD is tolerant of sin-- homosexuality or any other sin for that matter.


Please, repent.

If there is a brother or sister that is interested in repenting and seeking to live a life pleasing to GOD but is struggling in this area, I will gladly be your friend-- I will not turn you away.


If you think that any sin is alright and you claim to be a Christian, I will not fellowship with you.
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Yeah, I even read an article saying a gene for violence. Even one for alcoholism. What's next a gene for debt??
Maybe my addiction to chocolate can be blamed on my genes?
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