My First Gay Thread

[MarcBee]

Does anyone here know someone who believes they have been "delivered" by the power of God from lifelong homosexuality? Not speaking of someone who got experimental then repented, but a former hardcore who now is not gay?

Last I heard, there aren't any verifiable cases apart from those speaking "by faith" and of course "behaving themselves".....thus far.

Sincerely asking the above, but of course I'm coming from a position (who isn't.) In recent years I've changed to believe that some people are born gay. Yes, environment has great effect too. But in general gay is not something ones chooses to be. Chooses to DO, yes, but chooses to "be", no. (Please don't take this to suppose I think homosexuality is compatible with the Bible, OT or NT. Pretty clear it isn't.)

[RandyWayne]

Well, twin studies have shown there to be a strong genetic link. Others have witnessed a strong cause and effect between homosexuality and molestation as a child or young teen. What people have NOT seen are many cases of someone simply choosing to become gay, at least in the male population. There may actually be something to "choosing" in the female persuasion though.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

Does anyone here know someone who believes they have been "delivered" by the power of God from lifelong homosexuality? Not speaking of someone who got experimental then repented, but a former hardcore who now is not gay?

Last I heard, there aren't any verifiable cases apart from those speaking "by faith" and of course "behaving themselves".....thus far.

Sincerely asking the above, but of course I'm coming from a position (who isn't.) In recent years I've changed to believe that some people are born gay. Yes, environment has great effect too. But in general gay is not something ones chooses to be. Chooses to DO, yes, but chooses to "be", no. (Please don't take this to suppose I think homosexuality is compatible with the Bible, OT or NT. Pretty clear it isn't.)

Are you now consumed with this?

[MarcBee]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Are you now consumed with this?

Consumed with what?

[Hoovie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diWEiSgLzr4

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

Consumed with what?

LOL, I was making a joke about your curiousness to your topic.

[MarcBee]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

LOL, I was making a joke about your curiousness to your topic.

Oh, ok. The smiley face is supposed to make it funny, eh?

[Hoovie]

What Does Science Say?

Here is a very informative article.
http://exodusinternational.org/2009/...s-science-say/

This is the ending summary.

"So are people born gay? Studies suggest that sexual orientation is an inter-play of both genetic and environmental factors. Genetics being able to predispose a person to homosexuality, but still relying on intricate environmental factors such as upbringing and social interaction to fully develop what some call the “homosexual potential.” Much like obesity has been discovered to have a genetic link, its understood that a person’s weight is ultimately dependent on environmental factors like diet and exercise.

Is change possible? Recent studies as well as first hand accounts confirm that sexuality is fluid and can indeed change whether through therapy or coincidentally over time. Researchers are careful not to claim that everyone can change their sexual orientation. Such absolute statements are as irresponsible as statements saying “people are born gay.” Researchers Yarhouse and Jones write that “some respondents experienced significant, meaningful change of sexual orientation in this sample, but we did not find that everyone (or anyone) can change. The fact that some human beings can break the four-minute mile barrier establishes that running a four-minute mile is not impossible, but that same fact does not establish that anyone (every human being) can break the four-minute mile barrier. So also our findings firmly refute any notion that change of sexual orientation is impossible.”(372)

"In the end, I like the way psychologist John Money put it. He compared sexuality to the development of language. He argued that a person is not born speaking English. And nothing in their genetics made them learn English rather than Swahili. Rather, the fact that a person learned English depended on their native culture. It has been shown that brains are innately predisposed to assimilate a language, whatever language that may be. Once it is aquired, the language becomes so natural to us that it’s as if we were born with it. Yet no matter how natural our native tongue may be, we know we are not born speaking English. In like manner, no matter how natural our same gender attractions may seem, let us not confuse that to mean that we were born gay."

[Hoovie]

Of course many will point out the recidivism that happens among ex-gays. It's a valid concern but also unfair. Sinners of all kinds relapse. Does that make redemption any less real or valuable for those saved today?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

Does anyone here know someone who believes they have been "delivered" by the power of God from lifelong homosexuality? Not speaking of someone who got experimental then repented, but a former hardcore who now is not gay?

Last I heard, there aren't any verifiable cases apart from those speaking "by faith" and of course "behaving themselves".....thus far.

Sincerely asking the above, but of course I'm coming from a position (who isn't.) In recent years I've changed to believe that some people are born gay. Yes, environment has great effect too. But in general gay is not something ones chooses to be. Chooses to DO, yes, but chooses to "be", no. (Please don't take this to suppose I think homosexuality is compatible with the Bible, OT or NT. Pretty clear it isn't.)

People are not born gah. People are born sinners with a sin nature, including gahs

Most gahs I have known also had experienced opposite sex attractions. I think with their same sex attractions and how we treat it in our socieity can confuse some people. There are a lot of pyschological factors involved