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Old 07-08-2007, 06:50 PM
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It was editing my signature like crazy to get it all to fit, I see this one saves as well.
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Old 07-08-2007, 06:57 PM
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Weird, I was going to post more thoughts (didn't post). Basically I made an analogy of us being like 2-D stick men on paper trying to figure out in 2-D what it means to be 3-D when the artists pushes a pencil through the paper (a small lead circle with a wood colored circle growing around it , and eventually a eraser colored circle - etc). We can make theories, but without being in that artists setting we simply will never full grasp it. What John saw in Revelation is certainly not clear to human eyes, nor was articulated in a way we can wrap our heads around completely. These debates are in vain in my opinion like say one trying to explain all the fine details to a young child about how to be an adult. They have to grow to full maturity to get it all, and further more move beyond the theory and experience it for themselves. The earthly tabernacle and law was only a shadow of things in Heaven. So too the believer will never wholly grasp this concept until eternity with Jesus face to face. The best we can do is make illustratations and analogies which fall short of being 100% non-confusing.
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Old 07-08-2007, 07:03 PM
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In short: God's existence is so far beyond our human experience for us to be able to possibly comprehend or describe it in any meaningful way.

If I assume for a moment that the universe has: three-fold beings and monophysite beings (like us) - My assumption would be that the beings with a single existence would never be able to fathom or adequately describe the threefold existence of the other type of being. So how can I not I roll my eyes when I hear people argue about this?

The theological arguments, get messed up because folks assume that we have a clear understanding of the human will itself (which we don't - psychologists don't even agree), definitions of the ambiguous words like "person," etc. We cannot even settle these philosophical questions about human beings (e.g - the line between the mind and the soul, etc), so how can we possibly expect to resolve it for GOD? I supposed I could be accused of beliving in analytical contradictions, but I think this is a lame argument, because Hume showed that believing in miracles is an analytical, logical contradiction - and most oneness people are Pentecostal, believing in tongues and healing. The more precise either side tries to be, in my opinion, the more problematic their positions become.
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Old 07-08-2007, 11:22 PM
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Hi FT

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n short: God's existence is so far beyond our human experience for us to be able to possibly comprehend or describe it in any meaningful way.
But if that be true why did YAH bother to tell us the many things he did about himself? Was he just wasting his and our time or did he expect us to believe what he said and abide in it?

10: Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11: I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Isaiah 43:10-11

It looks to me like he actually expected us to KNOW, BELIEVE, AND UNDERSTAND that he is the only one who is our God.

The reason Oneness is so important is because YAH said it is important. Thats all the reason we need to embrace it and love it.
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Old 07-09-2007, 06:45 AM
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FT, the biggest difference is that we believe Jesus is the God of the OT manifest in flesh.
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