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[n david]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother n david, where is the word whirlwind in Acts 8:39?

Pardon me for mixing the stories of Elijah and Philip up. The phrase was caught away, not whirlwind.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Most certainly, because Brother Stoneking refers not to Acts 12:7, but Acts 8:39. No angel smacking Brother C. P. Thomas in the head and guiding him out of jail, but CP being miraculously transported to his home.

What are we trying to say to people when we repeat this mumbo jumbo to them. "You can do this also? Just for the small price of admission, you too can transport out of prison, coax Muslim women out of caves and baptize them, get kidnapped by Al-Qaeda and convert their worst leader to the Apostolic faith?"

C'mon. I know this is your paraphrase, but you know this isn't anything close to what Stoneking has said or would say. Good grief. He may tell stories from CP Thomas that are hard to believe, but one thing he isn't is a money-grubbing tv preacher. And you tell me one of my previous posts was Diva-like.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I had a brother tell me not too long ago, the Bible is so rich with information, why in God's name do men speak such utter foolishness over the pulpit? My daughters don't need to hear outlandish stuff, because they look at me and say "SERIOUSLY?" They can believe wooden staffs were changed into blood, bone, and flesh reptiles, and that blinds eyes can be opened, but weirdness is something else. When it goes from faith building in the demonstration, to the crowd wowing of tall tale telling it is kind of grieving.

Weirdness? That mocking "mumbo jumbo" comment you made above about being transported, muslim women and terrorists isn't weirdness. Paul was one of the worst against the early church before his conversion. There have been stories from missionaries who have witnessed the conversion of war lords and terrible gang members. Gentiles were included in the outpouring of the Holy Ghost, you think muslims cannot be? And again, the Bible has at least two instances where people were transported.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

But the same logic is used by people who doubt the church and the Bible. They say do you believe that God can saved the entire world and make everyone sit cross legged on the floor and sing kumbaya? Yes, He can, but He won't do opposite to what He has already given us through His word.

How is the same thing which happened in his word the opposite of what He's already given us through His word?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

In other words, He isn't waiting for some time to change up the rules half way through the game. If I teach my family, friends, and church family to let slide everything that comes out of my mouth over the pulpit just because I'm the preacher then they would be insane, because they are following with out basis for why they are following.

Change up the rules halfway through the game?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Meaning they would be following me instead of Jesus Christ. Paul stated, follow ME as I follow Christ. Paul was protecting the saints, and letting them know that he was not to be followed if he wasn't following the one head, being Christ. Telling stories about old Brother C. P. Thomas flying through the sky, while people look deeper into the text and find that isn't what happened to Phillip is setting up everyone for disaster.

1) The clip doesn't say he was "flying through the sky." It said "the next instant he was standing in his own living room."
2) In Acts 8:39 it says Philip is caught away. Some copies state "the angel of the Lord caught away Philip" Then suddenly in the next verse he's 20 miles away in Azotus.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

My lands no, I don't doubt the scripture because of some hokum around me. I doubt the hokum, because it is just unverifiable hokum. God isn't the author of confusion or goofiness. Nor will He share His glory with another, especially a brother trying to build up his ministry through stories that are more akin to Art Bell and George Noory, then they are to holy writ.

Brother C. P. Thomas translated into his house from jail? Can God do that why sure, but will God do that for a preacher's publicity? Highly doubtful.

You have proof it was for his publicity and nothing more?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Talking donkeys, submarine rides in Moby Dick, all happened for specific reasons to teach the people of God. So, when you hear of ministers getting swallowed by groupers and being spit out towards General Conference let me know what the preachers had to say. Again, this isn't why we are sitting in a pew, to hear the fantastic in the lives of only those on the platform.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So, when the boy said that the emperor had no clothes he was slamming the emperor?

No, he was pointing out the obvious, something that the adults around him agreed within their own minds to overlook.

Again, if everyone believed everything I said over a pulpit just because I said it, they would be out of their ever loving minds, Revelation 2:2 is explicit in its admonishment to the church, "I know all the things you do. I have seen your hard work and your patient endurance. I know you don't tolerate evil people. You have EXAMINED the claims of those who say they are apostles but are not. You have DISCOVERED they're liars." That is how the Rabbis and the Greeks taught, they taught a Socratic method of teaching, where the students weren't told by the teacher, but taught by the student asking questions of the teacher.

Can Brother Stoneking deal with a Socratic method of teaching, the brother can't even deal with young people or any commotion while he is preaching, let only having to be pressed with hard questions. This isn't bashing, this is just telling how the cow ate the cabbage.

You should call Stoneking and speak with him about his lies, since you're so adamant about it, and since you advocate for people to contact the source. I mean, if Stoneking is doing what you claim, you should confront him! Sitting in your easy chair only mocking him online doesn't keep him from what he's doing.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

N david, Jesus said, if the blind lead the blind they both fall in a ditch. You see the Apostle Paul uses the analogy also for new converts being blind, babes, in darkness, foolish, and immature Romans 2:18-20.

Yet, those who are sighted guides cannot lead these babes astray, because they will receive the greater condemnation. Brother Stoneking exaggerating, embellishing, no, telling stories without checking the facts behind the story.

Now, I also posted that Brother Stoneking was told by Brother C. P. Thomas about the Alibaba and the forty wives in the cave for seven years, and then later Brother Stoneking was shown a video, and told that the women shouting their hair down were indeed Osama Bin Laden's wives.

So, that can lead some to believe that the story is bonafide. But NASA scientists seeing a bright object hurdling through space towards earth is the New Jerusalem? Seriously? Come on, Brother Stoneking please check out the source.

So in the meanwhile let it rip? Let those being led in the congregation suffer?
Come on, that's not what 1st John 4:1 is trying to convey to its readers.
"Don't worry congregation whatever Evang.Benincasa throws over the pulpit, don't worry, just feel the joy of the Lord, and if he is wrong, well it will be revealed at his judgement?

Yes, people should check the source. There were a lot more preachers than just Stoneking talking about the space object. My father was one of them. And he didn't get it from Stoneking. Going to mock my father for mentioning it during a message? Is my father a false prophet for it?

You don't believe any of this can happen (God instantly taking someone from jail and putting them somewhere else; muslim women converting; terrorists converting), and that's fine. Just don't mock those who do, or imply they're false prophets.

I keep thinking back to what Bro. Cole said about not telling of some of the things God did overseas. This is why. You'd likely be mocking him and calling him a false prophet as well.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Servant's <3

As I said previously... I don't believe everything that Bro. Stoneking has said happened... I only make room for the possibility of it...

Stoneking is not my leader and I have only heard the man preach one time in person and he didn't mention any of these things we have talked about on this forum. He has never preached at my church.

I'm probably just as skeptical and doubtful of his claims as anyone on here. I'm only saying it is possible...

As far as weirdness is concerned, weirdness is a completely subjective term. I think having a donkey speak is weird. Jesus spitting on people or rubbing spit on them (w/e) is weird. John the baptist's entire ministry is weird.

Weirdness is not a term we should be using to say "oh... it's weird that must mean it's not of God"

I make room for the fact that God is incomprehensible in his ways. He does things for reasons that I don't understand and no one understands but there are still reasons for. If we had verifiable proof of people not praising him and the stones crying out there would still be people doubting it happened.

I also completely agree that Stoneking should not be telling stories without fact checking them.

[ApostolicKitty]

I'm sorry about the space object thing. That was me taking a trip to see my space relatives. My ship is so awesome they got confused....

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

I'm sorry about the space object thing. That was me taking a trip to see my space relatives. My ship is so awesome they got confused....

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Can Brother Stoneking deal with a Socratic method of teaching, the brother can't even deal with young people or any commotion while he is preaching, let only having to be pressed with hard questions. This isn't bashing, this is just telling how the cow ate the cabbage.

I have hesitated in relating this, but with all the posting that those who disagree openly are mocking and bashing, I'm going to share it. Regrettably, I cannot find the clip on YouTube, but I believe he was speaking at Terry Black's church a few years ago.

With my own ears I heard LS say, "All my detractors can fall off the face of the earth, and the sooner the better!"

NOW, though I disagree with LS on almost every thing he says, I do not wish him evil. I pray he stays in good health and makes all things right.

Obviously, the feeling isn't mutual.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

BACON TACO BURGERS!!!!!

Yes, Elder!!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Barb

I have hesitated in relating this, but with all the posting that those who disagree openly are mocking and bashing, I'm going to share it. Regrettably, I cannot find the clip on YouTube, but I believe he was speaking at Terry Black's church a few years ago.

With my own ears I heard LS say, "All my detractors can fall off the face of the earth, and the sooner the better!"

NOW, though I disagree with LS on almost every thing he says, I do not wish him evil. I pray he stays in good health and makes all things right.

Obviously, the feeling isn't mutual.

Well, that's pretty sad, because the brother cannot be obviously has placed himself in a place where he can't be questioned. A talking head behind a podium, without as much as a press secretary to answer questions?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Barb

Yes, Elder!!

Hooray!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

You should call Stoneking and speak with him about his lies, since you're so adamant about it, and since you advocate for people to contact the source. I mean, if Stoneking is doing what you claim, you should confront him! Sitting in your easy chair only mocking him online doesn't keep him from what he's doing.

Didn't Sister Barb say that he wishes his detractors would fall off the face of the earth? My wife once wrote him a letter, I'm not sure if he ever responded but I'll ask her. I doubt that he would appreciate what pearls I have to offer. Also, my list of questions may be a tad too many for him? But, my dear n david, do you honestly believe that he would welcome a phone call or email from me?

Originally Posted by n david

Yes, people should check the source.

OK, let me ask this, should or MUST?

Originally Posted by n david

There were a lot more preachers than just Stoneking talking about the space object. My father was one of them.

Since you were personally involved I will ask you this, could you tell me about how your father dealt with the Star Ship New Jerusalem? That's not mocking by the way, as being hurtful, that's just me being me.

I guess I'm not such a diva.

Originally Posted by n david

And he didn't get it from Stoneking.

I just spoke with Brother Thomas K Burk over the phone and asked him if he ever remembered Brother Baxter Jr mentioning anything about NASA scientists looking through a telescope and seeing a bright object approaching earth. Not doubting what you have heard seeing that I haven't asked Brother Baxter Jr about this event.

Originally Posted by n david

Going to mock my father for mentioning it during a message? Is my father a false prophet for it?

Again, the boy who said the emperor had no clothes, did he say it because he was being malicious, mocking, or was he just trying to proclaim the obvious?

No, n david, I cannot call your father a false prophet because I don't know anything about your father or his ministry.

Brother Stoneking on the other hand has been before my eyes and ears for a long time. He was my wife's favorite preacher, and then my daughter was intrigued by his testimony of healing.

Yet, isn't that where we are as a movement, touch not thy father, my brother, my pal, my buddy, my cousin, my favorite preacher? Listen I'm the first to defend someone, especially if they are outnumbered.

But, somethings I can't defend, be it my mom, dad, cousin, uncle, or even me if I dropped the watermelon.

All I can say is that I'm sorry, and I should of looked a little closer into the issue before I served it up piping hot from the preacher's desk.

Originally Posted by n david

You don't believe any of this can happen (God instantly taking someone from jail and putting them somewhere else; muslim women converting; terrorists converting), and that's fine. Just don't mock those who do, or imply they're false prophets.

I remember "a story" when I was young about Reverend Ike, he proclaimed he would walk across Lake Michigan. He went down and just before he went to place his white leather loafer on the water's edge he said, "Reverend Ike will not walk on water today!" Could God allow Reverend Ike to walk on water? Why should He? How do unbelievable stories (I believe you posted the same concerning Brother C. P. Thomas) help anyone when those same unbelievable stories are found to be full blown fabrication? It doesn't help me, my daughters, my young people, my church family, or my friends who I might of given a preaching tape.

Originally Posted by n david

I keep thinking back to what Bro. Cole said about not telling of some of the things God did overseas. This is why. You'd likely be mocking him and calling him a false prophet as well.

I have sat at dinner tables with preachers who have made some comments about the oversea revivals, but to me that is neither here nor there, I just hope to God there true. I sat at dinner with Brother Teklemariam and heard some stories that raised an eyebrow, concerning revival. But those things I want to praise Jesus for the Apostolic message going forward, and again hope they are true. I have preached on the same platform with Brother Cole, and loved some things I heard, and scratched my head on other things I heard. But, translated individuals from jail to living room, 40 women coaxed out of a cave they were living in for seven years, and a Al-Qaeda leader kidnapping a man to get a Bible study? I just think it is unverifiable, plus no one ever mentioned Osama Bin Laden having forty wives in any caves. No one other than Brother Stoneking or Brother C. P. Thomas. That should make you think.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

This is Brother Stoneking telling the story how Brother C. P. Thomas was kidnapped by Al-Qaeda. While Brother C. P. Thomas was standing in front of an Al-Qaeda leader, Brother C. P. Thomas started preaching and the Al-Qaeda started weeping, and was converted.

Well lookie here, the video is no longer available.