Deep Apostolic Teachers?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Chide me if you like... But if you truly look at it objectively... I'm telling the truth.

I can't take this conversation seriously, let alone be objective to its weird content.

Originally Posted by Aquila

The utterance could have said, "Yea I say this is He whose words are written in the Good Book!"

Or the utterance could have said, "yea I say this is he who is sick and tired of people claiming I'm the one making the ridiculous statements when they have a message in tongues."

Originally Posted by Aquila

We'd know that the Spirit meant.

Good grief man.

Originally Posted by Aquila

It isn't uncommon for God to condescend to our level and speak in our vernacular to clarify what He desires to say.

Really? Oh, so I guess when a sister stood up and said "thus saith the Lord, my people my people I love your worship, and Bubba happy birthday."

Or how about "thus saith the Lord, my people my people I love your worship, and merry Xmas."

Come on already, are we going to debate this sort of foolishness?

Originally Posted by Aquila

I don't know... maybe what I'm trying to say is too deep for you to understand and give me credit on.

Yeah, so very deep, that a good set of waders should be employed.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Perhaps we should let it go and vote that the Spirit should only be believed if it speaks in the King James English using a 1611 vernacular and lots of vibrato.

Once had a woman brought forth a message in a high screeching voice, it scared the children, caused the saints to raise an eyebrow, and sent the visitors walking towards the sanctuary exit.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I can't take this conversation seriously, let alone be objective to its weird content.

It's kinda weird, I give you that. But I'm partly serious. lol

Or the utterance could have said, "yea I say this is he who is sick and tired of people claiming I'm the one making the ridiculous statements when they have a message in tongues."

LOL! That would be hilarious. I actually heard of a man giving an interpretation that was something like this...

"Thus saith the Lord, times are hard, I know. Sometimes I don't know if I'm going to make it myself. But if you just hold on..."

When I heard this, I about lost it! When these kinds of things happen, I have to reign myself in and try to glean and find what might be of value in the interpretation. We are but flesh. No interpretation is absolutely perfect.

Good grief man.

Really? Oh, so I guess when a sister stood up and said "thus saith the Lord, my people my people I love your worship, and Bubba happy birthday."

Or how about "thus saith the Lord, my people my people I love your worship, and merry Xmas."

Come on already, are we going to debate this sort of foolishness?

LOL! Excellent points! I do agree there is a limit to what can be accepted in an interpretation. However, what if God did want to wish Bubba a happy birthday just to test your faith? (jk) lol

No, seriously. You give some excellent examples. My only point was that the reference to letters written in red isn't enough to throw out an interpretation. And take into consideration, I'm only saying this based on the single phrase given to me. I do know that God can personalize a message, condescend and use our vernacular, and can even use terms of endearment that move us to tears and worship. When I read it... I felt it wasn't enough to discard an utterance of the Spirit over. That's all. You're examples given above are far better examples of elements to be discarded as it relates to an interpretation.

Yeah, so very deep, that a good set of waders should be employed.

C'mon, please try to understand what I'm trying to say. Give me a little credit here? Please?

Once had a woman brought forth a message in a high screeching voice, it scared the children, caused the saints to raise an eyebrow, and sent the visitors walking towards the sanctuary exit.

Hmmm... if it brought fear and concern to the body... I'd be leery of it. Could be a lying spirit or a carnal saint looking for attention.

[PastorTLArt]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I don't know if you guys have read this before or not. However, I believe that God spoke to me personally and clearly at least once. I had to write down what I felt was being said to my spirit. I'll share it here as an example of what I'm talking about... I wrote this down a good while back...

It's been said that, "Just a little talk with Jesus makes it right." Well, I tried this. And what happened has left me astounded. I was speaking to the LORD in prayer recently I began to ask Him, "Why are we so divided?", and, "What must I do to be holy?" And this is the message that I felt burning in my heart so hot that I had to simply type it out as the power overwhelmed me… (I paraphrase in that it all came as a block of emotions to my spirit... not necessarily words). So, here it is... my little talk with the LORD....



Me:

"Why are we so divided?"

"What must I do to be holy?"



God:

My child, I will tell you why you are all so divided. It is your religions. They are not of me. Each of you has a list. A list of do’s and don’ts. And each of you think that I authored your respective lists. Baptists have their list, Catholics have their lists, Pentecostals have their lists, Methodists have their lists, Lutherans have their lists, Charismatics have their lists, Messianics have their lists, Episcopals have their lists… each list is different. I’m not a God of confusion. Each list is a doctrine of man. Some say you must keep the Ten Commandments that I delivered to Moses to give to my people. Some of you expand upon these and add feast days, Sabbaths, dietary regulations, linguistic nuances of eccentricity wherein you think you are shown to be wise, yet you are looking foolish in your conceits. You want to be so much like my people… but not like me. You fail to realize… I’m the eternal, the constant, the source; the Alpha, the Omega, the beginning, the ending, the all in all, the great I AM that I AM… I’m not Catholic, Protestant, or Evangelical… neither am I Jewish. I’m GOD. Still some of you have codified my teachings into a strict body of church law in which you seek to please me by changing your “behavior”… but not your “being”. Teachings of mine were for spiritual development, they were not intended to be turned into dry do’s and don’ts to maintain a religious status quo. Then some of you codified the methods with which I addressed issues in Israel or the first generation of churches... making them “commandments” instead of seeing the spirit behind the reasoning. A reasoning that endures in any context, be it time or culture. Then you added historical traditions established by various religious leaders and founders. You codified congregation structures, financial models, added liturgies, added dietary regulations, added special days of worship, added dress codes, even added prohibitions on both men and women I never required. Each of you has these LISTS! Stop trying to please me by living these man-made lists! They divide you because you measure yourselves against one another based on your respective man-made LISTS. Ask the Pharisees to list exactly what must be done to please me! Let them present their LISTS! And suddenly you’ll see them all squabbling over which commandments have to be obeyed and which list is correct! Why? It is because the spirit of legalism leaves you awash in the sea of subjective personal interpretation wherein one man’s interpretation is just as good as another’s. Yet you cling to them because you think they make you “holy”. These lists don’t make you holy. What makes you Holy is… ME.



You see… I am the Vine, and you are the branches. You are called to be living extensions of me… not living extensions of the ancient nation of Israel, your given church, or your given denomination. You are called to be conformed into the image and likeness of Christ… not the image and likeness of your respective church, movement, or denomination. When you live by their LISTS… you are becoming like them… NOT like me.



And so you ask… How do I become like you? I, the LORD, shall answer you this day. Let him who has an ear, let him hear!!!...



The answer is in the very nature of my being my beloved. You see… I AM… love. When you are loving, gracious, forgiving, kind, compassionate, patient, long suffering, temperate, and giving… you are being like Me. Do you wish to fulfill “the law”??? DON’T live by it. Find its core. Find its essence. Find my reason for delivering said laws in their given contexts. You’ll discover that it is because I was teaching many different things… but the core was and always has been… MY love. Love me my child. Love me with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. And demonstrate your love for me by loving others as yourself. If you do this you will have fulfilled the essence of MY law. If there is any other commandment ever brought to your attention, know this… it is fulfilled in this single statement, “Love thy neighbor as thyself.” In this you do no wrong… and in loving… you become like me… the one who is love itself.



So be not swayed by their LISTS. Do not be deceived by their vain and eccentric verbiage. Do not emulate a nation, a denomination, or a church. Instead… emulate Me and you will find rest for your souls. Love Me with all your being… and show me that you love Me by loving others as yourself. The only commandment I give you is this… LOVE. For love will not murder, steal, covet, slander, commit adultery, rage, revenge, or blaspheme. Love will set every day aside as holy… because love seeks to give absolute devotion every single day without end. I am not impressed with your LISTS. First, your lists all differ. And second, you don’t even keep your own lists perfectly! This makes you hypocrites of the worst kind. Why do you do this to yourselves??? Do you really think I’m IMPRESSED by anything you do? Am I impressed by any cherry picked LIST of commandments you’ve chosen to embrace… at the expense of others that you chose not to? Do you really think I’m going to open the books and judge you by each of your respective lists???! Will I judge according to dress code, hairstyles, feast days, and your labored mispronunciations of an ancient language??? Will I praise you for acting Jewish… even though if the truth were to be told… you don’t have a single drop of Hebrew blood in your body??? No. When you stand before Me… I will only seek to know two things: Did you love me with all your being? Did you seek to show your love for me by loving others as yourself? And you’ll then begin to see how your LISTS hindered you from loving your neighbors. You will see how your lusts, adulteries, thievery, slander, etc. are not rooted in failing to obey a rule on a LIST… but in your failure to LOVE. For love does no harm to the object of its affection.



So I leave you with this… become like Me. Be conformed into the very image and likeness of Jesus Christ, my beloved Son. And in this you will find true holiness. In this you will find the law of liberty… the law of LOVE. You will have discovered… ME.

My Brother, I receive that in Jesus Name! May I have your permission to share it with my congregation? I believe it to be a timly and fitting work from the Lord!

My Brother, It has overtaken me in a powerful way! Thank you for sharing this word with us!!

[MarcBee]

I also knew some wide apostolic preachers, almost as good as deep.

[Esaias]

No wonder lots of people think we are crazy heretics. This is a far cry from what our forbears believed and acted upon. It's almost like we have the name Pentecostal but don't have the sanctifying grace of Pentecost.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Sean, I don't believe tithes are required of born again believers under this covenant. However, I'd be cautious before condemning all tithers to Hell. Since the church is free to give as one has purposed in their heart... should a body embrace giving 5%, 10%, or 15% as a regular sustaining offering... they do well.

In condemning tithers to Hell... we commit the same sin as those who condemn non-tithers to Hell. Can't you see... it's the division and lack of love between the two groups that is the very essence of sin as it relates to this topic???

Forgive and accept tithers. Even forgive and accept those who have a condemnatory attitude, they a repeating what they've been taught. Instead, show Christian love, grace, and acceptance.

Don't become like them!

Brother, please understand. This is not, nor has it ever been directed towards the givers of tithes.(they have been duped). This is directed towards the teachers only.(for clarification)

[rosejones]

One that I know is Pastor Michael Atkins of Kentucky. Do not have any links for them however.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Sorry if my response is after the fact. I didn't mean to beat you up with any overkill. I responded before I had read the previous admonitions presented to you. Love you bro!

Love you to brother, but you dont have to apologize for me. They must apologize to our Lord before it is too late. They will die lost for teaching this doctrine, or the Apostles will have to apologize for not including this tithing doctrine into the N.T. church.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

Love you to brother, but you dont have to apologize for me. They must apologize to our Lord before it is too late. They will die lost for teaching this doctrine, or the Apostles will have to apologize for not including this tithing doctrine into the N.T. church.

Sean's Oxen....



Deuteronomy 25:4 1st Corinthians 9:9 1st Timothy 5:18 and Proverbs 12:10

[houston]

...and I will write MICHELOB over the door of this place.