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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister
Brother Blume,
In this chapter, Paul quotes the law of Moses. The tithe law is part of the law of Moses. So, while Paul is quoting the law of Moses, he talks about the ox? This is a very poor example for you to use if you are advocating for a tithe being available for pastors.
The important similarity that you and Paul have is that you, Paul and the ox are just alike in one wise, none of you are entitled to tithes, according to the law of Moses that Paul is quoting.
The passage does not change anything regarding a pastor being entitled to tithes. If anything it reinforces my position. Here we have Paul, who is very well educated in the law, quoting the law, and talking about the ox.
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You are overlooking the obvious fact that the legalities of law associated with cursing and so on are not binding on the new covenant church. A person does not have to give "tithes", but a person does have to give and support.
Paul quoted the Law in this chapter, but not to imply that all the legalities associated with tithes back in that day are binding on the new testament believer. His reference to law no more implies that than quoting
Psalm 110:1 and saying that's fulfilled in Christ implies that we have to take every other reference written back under that day of the old covenant and keep those laws including literal temple sacrifice and bringing a woman and making her drink the bitter water that causeth the curse if she was suspected of adultery.
He is simply using a principle that applies to new covenant ministers without any demand to apply the legalities.
You need to understand what I believe in order to understand my point, which I should have explained earlier. I do not believe we have to give ten percent and no more or no less. The New Covenant does not lay that out. It teaches to give according to your faith, and encourages folks to stretch their faith. So, if one gives ten per cent, they could just as rightfully given 3.684 per cent, or 85 per cent. With that having been said, someone can give tithes since it is a good percentage for that person. Why did God choose the ten per cent and associate it with all the legalties that the Law demanded? COuld it be that ten per cent is reasonable? Doesn't really matter. The point is that's how I look at using the word tithes. I do not have to give that amount but can give any other percentage I feel to give in faith. And the congregant does not have to do anything different than that as well. But if they happen to think a ten per cent manner is what they choose to give, having come from a legalistic background or not, and carrying it forward, they can do so as long as the person does not think they're cursed if they don't.
And that means that the widow and orhpan issue is not binding in such a concept.
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Why didn’t Paul refer to the tithe law, instead of talking about the comparatively vague law about the ox?
Was he known for being timid?
Was he afraid to speak his mind?
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Again, I never said that
1 Cor 9 is restricted to the context of tithes. By tithe I thought YOU meant the general concept of a minister receiving income because that's what is the general thought here, ...I think anyway.
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We know Paul knew the law, he was not afraid to speak his mind, yet he didn’t say, “pastors are eligible to receive tithes, according to the law”. He said instead, that the Mosaic law forbids muzzling the ox that treads the corn. Because Paul was like you Brother Blume, in that he was not eligible to receive tithes according to the law that he is quoting. And Paul, Brother Blume, was no hypocrite. And it would be the very epitome of hypocrisy for him to quote the law of Moses regarding tithes, when he (like you), had no right to tithes under that same law. Paul was a Benjamite, Brother Blume. As a Benjamite, he was ineligible to receive tithes under the law that he is quoting. So he draws a comparison to the ox. The ox wasn’t eligible for tithes either, under the law (again, like you). He could eat all he wanted, the Mosaic law granted him the right. But the ox couldn’t take anything home to the stall. He couldn’t put it in the bank. The law didn’t give him the right to receive tithes. Because the ox was no Levite. Anymore than Paul was a Levite. Or Brother Blume is a Levite.
I have not once said, nor do I believe, that being a pastor excludes you from support from the church. The issue is tithes. And tithes didn’t go on the altar. The general tithe didn’t go to the temple either. Remember, the tithe went to the forty eight cities of tillage. There was only one temple.
So, once more. Quote scripture that you, as a pastor, are entitled to tithes. Paul was quoting Mosaic law. Follow his example that YOU quoted in Corinthians, and show me where the law entitles you
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Because I do not believe that a tithe is the necessary legalistic manner to give, your words d not apply to my perspective.
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