Why You Should Vote IN FAVOR of Resolution 4

[SDG]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

I've changed my mind.

I am now ALL FOR UPC TV!!!



This way we will have the phonies, philanderers, moneygrubbers and egocentrists leaping to the forefront voluntarily to identify themselves, instead of having to deal with uncertainty and waiting.

True Christians don't belong on TV, nor do they belong in front of it, beside of it, under it, or behind it. If people without the HG can figure out its corrupting influence, why can't we?

Same applies to the internet of course.

[BobDylan]

Why does it matter whether or not TV passes? I mean, conservative men have generally preached against alot of things that UPC allows, i.e. jewelry etc. ; it seems to me that even though the UPC might allow another "thing" that conservatives disagree with, conservative men could stay just keep their anti TV stance for their churches and STAY IN the UPC. It's mind boggling the inconsistencies in many of these arguments pro AND anti TV!....

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

Why You Should Vote FOR Resolution Four

I know this will come as a shock, but after much consideration, I have come to the conclusion that voting in favor of resolution four (advertising on television) is in the best interest of the United Pentecostal Church. I will do my best to enumerate the reasons succinctly and straightforwardly.

1. Passing this resolution will bring unity. It has become obvious that those who have continued to vote against this measure are dividing this organization. On more than one occasion, they have said a resounding, “NO!” to what a number of other men dearly want. Their continued stand for what has been is evidently the cause of extreme divisiveness and animosity. They should stop standing in the way of “progress” and allow this fellowship to make this bold new move. By doing so, they will bring unity to the body, thus resulting in unprecedented endtime revival.

2. Passing this resolution will provide an easier method of evangelism. I, for one, am tired of knocking doors. I mean, how many churches have been built by such antiquated methods? Let’s be real – putting together a television ad (or, better yet, a program) will enable me to reach MILLIONS of people. Since the majority of the world has televisions, my ad/program will be all the world needs to start flocking to the UPCI in droves. I can have more free time, since I will no longer have to devote my Saturday mornings to other more ineffective methods of evangelism. In fact, we might as well recall the missionaries. Let the FMD put together ads in the various languages of the world and put them over the airwaves. People will undoubtedly be receiving the Holy Ghost during the time these things air. Since receiving the Holy Ghost is the main focus, by the way, that’s all they need. The Spirit will then lead them into the rest of the truth.

3. Passing this resolution will save us money. In light of the facts presented in the previous paragraph, I won’t have to spend money on things like fliers, door hangers, Bible study charts, OR missionaries! I have been told that cable advertising is as cheap as – or cheaper than – radio. Thus, it is obviously a wise monetary decision to stop wasting church funds on things that are not reaching the world. A few dollars more wisely spent on television advertising/programming will be the last thing I will EVER need to spend money on – it will reach the WORLD!

4. Passing the resolution will purge the organization of unwanted and unnecessary members. We’ve all heard the “whiners” – “If you don’t play by the rules that have you’ve always used, we’re taking our toys and going home.” By voting in favor of this resolution, these people will either “put up or shut up.” Furthermore, I was personally told by a top official of this organization that we “don’t need” men who oppose the progressive agenda of the modern era. We are “better off without them,” he said to me. Far be it from me to be a weakening factor in the strength of this movement. By helping to pass this resolution, I will be able to walk away with my head held high, knowing I am making the UPCI better by my absence.

Well, there you have it. These are the reasons why I am encouraging everyone to vote in favor of resolution four.

By the way, I’m not being sarcastic. However, I have written this with my tongue planted firmly in my cheek.

Very well written, KP, and I sensed no animosity at all in your post. In fact, this is brilliant, in my opinion, because you've taken the very argument that is being used to propogate TV advertising, and proven your own point.

I'm all for TV advertising, but I must say, your article made me think! Nice job.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

Why does it matter whether or not TV passes? I mean, conservative men have generally preached against alot of things that UPC allows, i.e. jewelry etc. ; it seems to me that even though the UPC might allow another "thing" that conservatives disagree with, conservative men could stay just keep their anti TV stance for their churches and STAY IN the UPC. It's mind boggling the inconsistencies in many of these arguments pro AND anti TV!....

Most of the bluster is about control and self justification. From my experience it seems as though some "conservatives" have a compulsion to stand up at conferences and to write letters to justify their own salvation.

It's as though they feel they must declare themselves to be holier than the rest of the assembly in order to seal their place in the Kingdom of God. Meanwhile behind closed doors or at private parties they tell obscene jokes and gossip and backbite like school girls.

For their own good, for the real salvation of their own souls, we must do all that we can to help these "conservatives" to see that they can have no place in the Kingdom of God without Jesus justifying them and accounting them holy. Otherwise, all of their bluster, speeches, letters and articles are just filthy rags.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Most of the bluster is about control and self justification. From my experience it seems as though some "conservatives" have a compulsion to stand up at conferences and to write letters to justify their own salvation.

It's as though they feel they must declare themselves to be holier than the rest of the assembly in order to seal their place in the Kingdom of God. Meanwhile behind closed doors or at private parties they tell obscene jokes and gossip and backbite like school girls.

For their own good, for the real salvation of their own souls, we must do all that we can to help these "conservatives" to see that they can have no place in the Kingdom of God without Jesus justifying them and accounting them holy. Otherwise, all of their bluster, speeches, letters and articles are just filthy rags.

Can I get an "OUCH"!!!

so ... true.

[tv1a]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

I've changed my mind.

I am now ALL FOR UPC TV!!!



This way we will have the phonies, philanderers, moneygrubbers and egocentrists leaping to the forefront voluntarily to identify themselves, instead of having to deal with uncertainty and waiting.

True Christians don't belong on TV, nor do they belong in front of it, beside of it, under it, or behind it. If people without the HG can figure out its corrupting influence, why can't we?

You have those types of people already in the upc. It's harder to sweep their indiscretions under the rug when tv camera is in their face. The upci does a great job in hiding its dirty laundry. I can understand why people are afraid of television...

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

I've changed my mind.

I am now ALL FOR UPC TV!!!



This way we will have the phonies, philanderers, moneygrubbers and egocentrists leaping to the forefront voluntarily to identify themselves, instead of having to deal with uncertainty and waiting.

True Christians don't belong on TV, nor do they belong in front of it, beside of it, under it, or behind it. If people without the HG can figure out its corrupting influence, why can't we?

True Christians are highly judgmental?

[Steve Epley]

Do I have time to join and after the voting then quit?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Do I have time to join and after the voting then quit?

In the past you could just sneak into the meeting and vote. I haven't been to a GC business session in almost 10 years, but I was always surprised about how open the thing was. They would just announce that they wanted only "voting ministers" to be seated on the floor or in the front part of the floor.

One time I saw some friends who were unlicensed at the time sitting in on a "closed" business session. They were never challenged and I was too afraid to rat them out... LOL.

I served on the tabulating committee once in a GC at Salt Lake City. We received buckets of ballots that had been handed out to the "voting ministers" and it was all on the honor system. The counting was accurate and fair- but a bunch of Mormons could have seated themselves up front and voted right along with everybody else.

In other words, you may not even have to "join" to vote. Just show up and see how far you get. You might even find yourself standing for an office!

[H2H]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Do I have time to join and after the voting then quit?

Sorry, we don't take men in hats. Have you thought of going Amish?