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Old 07-07-2007, 02:41 PM
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The "Hit and Miss" Doctrine

It has been stated on AFF in the past that new testament Prophets are allowed to miss it sometimes. While I could understand a novice being tutored would be given some leeway, I have a hard time believing that a "Prophet" would be able to miss it, and remain a Prophet in good standing. If we use this as a rule for Prophets, then would we not have to likewise use it for the rest of the ministry?


Think about it. I go to church not sure whether the Pastor will hit or miss. The Evangelist will come in and maybe he will hit it......then again maybe not. And the Teacher...........one time he teaches sound doctrine, and the next............


Consider the implications that such a belief could bring with it.


What do you thing??
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Old 07-07-2007, 02:44 PM
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I don't think it is called a hit or miss, but who hasn't missed it at least once?

Do you know any who have "PERFECT" ministries?
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Old 07-07-2007, 02:56 PM
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It has been stated on AFF in the past that new testament Prophets are allowed to miss it sometimes. While I could understand a novice being tutored would be given some leeway, I have a hard time believing that a "Prophet" would be able to miss it, and remain a Prophet in good standing. If we use this as a rule for Prophets, then would we not have to likewise use it for the rest of the ministry?


Think about it. I go to church not sure whether the Pastor will hit or miss. The Evangelist will come in and maybe he will hit it......then again maybe not. And the Teacher...........one time he teaches sound doctrine, and the next............


Consider the implications that such a belief could bring with it.


What do you thing??

My wife was "prophesied" over several times by the same "prophet". It was concerning something that was very important to her. He even gave his "prophecy" a time span. When it did not come to pass my wife was devastated and it almost caused her to leave church.

I later found out much of his knowledge came from fellowship with people not God.................
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Old 07-07-2007, 02:58 PM
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My wife was "prophesied" over several times by the same "prophet". It was concerning something that was very important to her. He even gave his "prophecy" a time span. When it did not come to pass my wife was devastated and it almost caused her to leave church.

I later found out much of his knowledge came from fellowship with people not God.................
That is something all together different, and dangerous. Alas, I have seen it too I am afraid!
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Old 07-07-2007, 03:14 PM
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It has been stated on AFF in the past that new testament Prophets are allowed to miss it sometimes. While I could understand a novice being tutored would be given some leeway, I have a hard time believing that a "Prophet" would be able to miss it, and remain a Prophet in good standing. If we use this as a rule for Prophets, then would we not have to likewise use it for the rest of the ministry?


Think about it. I go to church not sure whether the Pastor will hit or miss. The Evangelist will come in and maybe he will hit it......then again maybe not. And the Teacher...........one time he teaches sound doctrine, and the next............


Consider the implications that such a belief could bring with it.


What do you thing??
Happens all the time already Matt...
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Old 07-07-2007, 03:15 PM
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I don't think it is called a hit or miss, but who hasn't missed it at least once?

Do you know any who have "PERFECT" ministries?
Evidently he does... These must be reincarnations of Christ himself, I guess.
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Old 07-07-2007, 03:17 PM
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Evidently he does... These must be reincarnations of Christ himself, I guess.
Who does?

The person who is prophesying from learned knowledge about something is being
less than honest!
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Old 07-07-2007, 03:21 PM
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The person who is prophesying from learned knowledge about something is being
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Matt does since he seems to think no one who is right with God misses it from time to time... or teaches fals doctrine...

People are human last time I checked.... mistakes happen...
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Old 07-07-2007, 03:21 PM
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It has been stated on AFF in the past that new testament Prophets are allowed to miss it sometimes. While I could understand a novice being tutored would be given some leeway, I have a hard time believing that a "Prophet" would be able to miss it, and remain a Prophet in good standing. If we use this as a rule for Prophets, then would we not have to likewise use it for the rest of the ministry?

Think about it. I go to church not sure whether the Pastor will hit or miss. The Evangelist will come in and maybe he will hit it......then again maybe not. And the Teacher...........one time he teaches sound doctrine, and the next............

Consider the implications that such a belief could bring with it.

What do you think??
If we're comparing the Biblical accounts of Elijah and Elisha, or others from the new testament, are we certain that all of their ministry has been recorded?

Does anyone actually believe that every prophecy just the two (Elijah & Elisha) made was all recorded? I don't believe it is. I think they did much more that wasn't recorded. And I don't believe for a moment that their ministry was 100% perfect.

When someone prophesies over another person, the person being prophesied to has the power to either receive or alter the prophecy. I'm certain that some people have missed the prophecy, not because the prophet was wrong or a false prophet, but maybe due to their spiritual lives or something they did that altered the course of what was prophesied to them.

After all, we are mere human beings with the incredible power of choice. We're not souless robots who automatically receive downloads with no choice.

So answer this: could it be that the person being prophesied over - and not the prophet - messed up when it doesn't come to pass?
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Old 07-07-2007, 03:35 PM
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Matt does since he seems to think no one who is right with God misses it from time to time... or teaches fals doctrine...

People are human last time I checked.... mistakes happen...
I agree.

What can make a difference?

Prayer & Consecration.

And no, just for the record-I am no prophet.
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