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10-31-2007, 11:43 AM
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Once again our perspectives as to intents have diverged. You are entitled to your pespective even if it's founded on faulty information and HYPERBOLE.
I believe we can know truth ... agreed ....
But our movement was founded on divergent views when it comes to soteriology .. the when, who, how we are saved....
the modern intolerant view is not in touch w/ our heritage .... it is IMO .... NON-APOSTOLIC.
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Daniel, you've left the Oneness Pentecostal movement and don't even realize it. Why do you say "our movement?" Your views are diametrically opposed to anything early Oneness Pentecostal pioneers believed.
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10-31-2007, 11:49 AM
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Daniel, you've left the Oneness Pentecostal movement and don't even realize it. Why do you say "our movement?" Your views are diametrically opposed to anything early Oneness Pentecostal pioneers believed.
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Others have proven quite the opposite .... on this forum ... Early pioneers believed Trinitarians were saved and fellowshipped openly w/ them ...
It is your view that is anti-thetical to our common heritage.
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10-31-2007, 11:53 AM
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Does being "Oneness" = beilieving in Acts 2:38 for salvation. When did that happen?
IMO I believe not all Trinitarians are going to hell, just like not all OP's are going to heaven
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10-31-2007, 12:34 PM
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Others have proven quite the opposite .... on this forum ... Early pioneers believed Trinitarians were saved and fellowshipped openly w/ them ...
It is your view that is anti-thetical to our common heritage.
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Proven?
Hilarious.
Daniel, you are a trinitarian.
Our heritage is not a common one.
I have never been anything but Oneness.
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10-31-2007, 12:36 PM
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Proven?
Hilarious.
Daniel, you are a trinitarian.
Our heritage is not a common one.
I have never been anything but Oneness.
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Surely ... you know I'm MORE APOSTOLIC AND ONENESS THAN YOU'LL EVER BE, PP. And I mean that will all seriousness.
I admire the fervor and zeal, however. Misplaced but definitely honorable.
You have mastered HYPERBOLE.
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10-31-2007, 12:38 PM
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Call yourself whatever you want to, but I have never, one time, ever, seen you defend Oneness doctrine.
Ever.
I don't like the word "Apostolic" anyway. You can have it.
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10-31-2007, 12:43 PM
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Pro 13:20 He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.
I write this verse in the front of every new Bible I get.
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--Amos 7:14-15
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10-31-2007, 01:03 PM
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Bro. Y, I'll never forget...
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- Is this relationship worth the amount of work required to maintain it?
if you are only willing to maintain friendships based on how much work it costs you, your considerations are selfish. Many friendships, at times, require time and effort to make them work.
- Does this person make me feel good about myself? Am I uncomfortable around them?
Some of the best friends a person could have are willing to step on your toes. I'd be leary of "friends" that only make me feel good about myself. If you want groupies, start a rock band. It's unfair to set that expectation on any of your "supposed friends". Do they make you feel uncomfortable? As in their words, actions, etc being un-Christian.... then yah, thats a different story....
- Is this friend competitive with me in a negative way?
Some competition can be healthy: losing weight, reading books/study, etc.... it would depend on what type of competition, I suppose.
- Do I like who I am when I’m with them? Or do we seem to bring out the worst in each other?
A realistic point to consider. Are you a better person around them. Or worse?
- How deeply can I trust this person? Could I count on them if I needed to? Could I share my feelings freely?
An exclusive level of complete trust shouldn't be a requirement of all friendships.... but if you can't trust them, thats a completely different story.... I've posted Mal's Three Levels of Trust somewhere on AFF.... you should go find it....
- Do we have common interests and values? If not, do I benefit from the differences?
"do I benefit"??? Again, selfishness showing it's ugly head again.... you won't benefit from all friendships, nor should you.... sometimes you need to be a friend to an unfriendly/unpopular person.... again, I've posted about the Three Types of People of Life on AFF.... go find it....
- Am I receiving as much as I give?
Again, selfishness showing it's ugly head again.... you won't always get what you put into a friendship all the time.... there are some people who will never be able to give back to you what you put into them....
- If I gave this relationship the effort it deserves, would it benefit me and enrich my life?
This is a "Me First" society.... it's not always about you and what you can get and how you can be enriched and how you can be helped.... sometimes its about what you can do for others, with no expectation of receiving anything back....
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PastorPoster, I certainly hope this isn't an original work.... and that you just copied it off some Dr. Phil self-help e-zine or something like that.... Selfishness and carnality permiate the core of the above list....
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10-31-2007, 01:21 PM
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PastorPoster, I certainly hope this isn't an original work.... and that you just copied it off some Dr. Phil self-help e-zine or something like that.... Selfishness and carnality permiate the core of the above list....
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I would agree that there are a lot of me's and I's in some of his criteria for friendship.
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10-31-2007, 01:23 PM
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Call yourself whatever you want to, but I have never, one time, ever, seen you defend Oneness doctrine.
Ever.
I don't like the word "Apostolic" anyway. You can have it.
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I have articulated my Oneness view here on various occassions ... but find it redundants since 99.9% of us here are ONENESS.... IF YOU MEAN I HAVE TO CONDEMN TRINITARIANS WHILE DEFENDING THE PROVERBIAL FORT... then you can have it.
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