Are the Godairs leaving?

SDG · #1 11-27-2007, 01:03 PM

Many of the predictable California players have announced their departure ... yet there seems to be information pointing to the JG and KG ... who are on the steering committee ... having COLD FEET.

One report has surfaced that although JG is definitely unhappy w/ the new direction he is starting to become displeased w/ many of the attitudes of those leading the charge to break away ... He has expressed these concerns to KH.

Secondly, KG still seems to be very cautious about telling his church that he's leaving. He did tell his church a week after GC that they all should enter a season of fasting and praying because he was unhappy w/ the results.

Although he is listed on the steering committee ... reports are that his church is still in a season of fasting and prayer ... as to what direction to take. He has made no official announcement as of yet with about 6 weeks until the Tulsa meeting.

What gives ??? Will the Godairs follow the California crowd to Tulsa?

RevDWW · #2 11-27-2007, 01:09 PM

Do we have to go-dair?

Steve Epley · #3 11-27-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Many of the predictable California players have announced they're departure ... yet there seems to be information pointing to the JG and KG ... who are on the steering committee ... having COLD FEET.

One report has surfaced that although JG is definitely unhappy w/ the new direction he is starting to become displeased w/ many of the attitudes of those leading the charge to break away ... He has expressed these concerns to KH.

Secondly, KG still seems to be very cautious about telling his church that he's leaving. He did tell his church a week after GC that they all should enter a season of fasting and praying because he was unhappy w/ the results.

Although he is listed on the steering committee ... reports are that his church is still in a season of fasting and prayer ... as to what direction to take. He has made no official announcement as of yet with about 6 weeks until the Tulsa meeting.

What gives ??? Will the Godairs follow the California crowd to Tulsa?

Dan It has been reported on CAF with men involved in this that all the sponsered agreed to leave when they decided on having the Tulsa meeting?
This has been discussed several times as there has seemed to be conflicting reports about them? It won't be long until we all will know.

SDG · #4 11-27-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Dan It has been reported on CAF with men involved in this that all the sponsered agreed to leave when they decided on having the Tulsa meeting?
This has been discussed several times as there has seemed to be conflicting reports about them? It won't be long until we all will know.

IMO ....It seems a bit unfair to KG's Burlington church to think their pastor is on the mount seeking God's will on the issue ... when he's on the steering committee and made such a promise. Reports are that some are just waiting for his public decision to leave so as to make a decision if they will stay w/ him or find a UPC church

Steve Epley · #5 11-27-2007, 01:45 PM

Dan at his present time they are meeting in Branson having a meeting about Tulsa. I was just told the six have become seven. T. L. Craft is being added to the list. A brother on CAF just spoke to one of the sponsers moments ago.

ILuvFPC · #6 11-27-2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Dan at his present time they are meeting in Branson having a meeting about Tulsa. I was just told the six have become seven. T. L. Craft is being added to the list. A brother on CAF just spoke to one of the sponsers moments ago.

Elder Epley with all due respect i must clarify.. The branson meeting which is being hosted by Bro Joel Holmes and Bro Larry Booker was planned well in advance of the upc general conference and includes many ministers and pastors not associated with the upc... so it is not a meeting about the results of the upc res 4 or the goings on to take place in tulsa.. not that this topic will not come up or be discussed at the branson meeting...

Monkeyman · #7 11-27-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ILuvFPC

Elder Epley with all due respect i must clarify.. The branson meeting which is being hosted by Bro Joel Holmes and Bro Larry Booker was planned well in advance of the upc general conference and includes many ministers and pastors not associated with the upc... so it is not a meeting about the results of the upc res 4 or the goings on to take place in tulsa.. not that this topic will not come up or be discussed at the branson meeting...

Where is the, "duh" smiley, he heeeee!

Thinking · #8 11-27-2007, 07:51 PM

Is it possible these men feel so strongly about the decline of the UPC, and feel sincerely that it no longer fits with their ideals, beliefs and stance, that in principle they must leave? Perhaps they do not wish to cause harm to the UPC itself. Isn't it true that they have no control over the fact that the mere loss of numbers will do harm to the organization?

Does their leaving and forming a group that is more closely aligned with their own beliefs indicate they are unprincipled? Does the fact that they would make this group known to others indicate a lack of morality, ethics or honor?

Steve Epley · #9 11-27-2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ILuvFPC

Elder Epley with all due respect i must clarify.. The branson meeting which is being hosted by Bro Joel Holmes and Bro Larry Booker was planned well in advance of the upc general conference and includes many ministers and pastors not associated with the upc... so it is not a meeting about the results of the upc res 4 or the goings on to take place in tulsa.. not that this topic will not come up or be discussed at the branson meeting...

I know it was not planned but that is the agenda now.

Neck · #10 11-27-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Many of the predictable California players have announced their departure ... yet there seems to be information pointing to the JG and KG ... who are on the steering committee ... having COLD FEET.

One report has surfaced that although JG is definitely unhappy w/ the new direction he is starting to become displeased w/ many of the attitudes of those leading the charge to break away ... He has expressed these concerns to KH.

Secondly, KG still seems to be very cautious about telling his church that he's leaving. He did tell his church a week after GC that they all should enter a season of fasting and praying because he was unhappy w/ the results.

Although he is listed on the steering committee ... reports are that his church is still in a season of fasting and prayer ... as to what direction to take. He has made no official announcement as of yet with about 6 weeks until the Tulsa meeting.

What gives ??? Will the Godairs follow the California crowd to Tulsa?

The conference speakers will all get cold feet. The have it too easy!