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Old 09-23-2007, 10:44 AM
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Did Adam and Eve age before they sinned? Was Eve able to conceive before Genesis 3:16?




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Old 09-23-2007, 02:19 PM
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Was Adam born with "apparent age" or in other words, was he a 30 yr old fully formed man?

I personally do not think they aged until after the fall. I don't know why they were NOT able to conceive before the Gen 3:16, but we have no record they did have any children.
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Old 09-23-2007, 10:07 PM
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My personal opinion was that Adam was created as a "young adult." All around him were animals who were paired up as male and female. He could look at his own body and realize he was obviously male but there was no female for him. Then God formed Eve from material taken from his side and presented her to him. I'm sure he could see that she was obviously female and compatible with him. I believe they could have had children prior to their sin of disobedience but I don't know if they did or not. Cain seems to the first male child and he was born after the fall. There were other brothers and sisters but I'm not sure when they were born.
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Old 09-23-2007, 10:22 PM
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I think that what ever was in the nutrients of the fruit of the Tree of Life kept them from aging. Once they sinned and God removed the Tree of Life, aging and death was the result.
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I think that what ever was in the nutrients of the fruit of the Tree of Life kept them from aging. Once they sinned and God removed the Tree of Life, aging and death was the result.
I think there was not death, nor aging past the prime of life -- since babies would obviously age to adulthood -- before sin entered the world. Death only came because of sin.

So whether or not Adam ate the fruit of Life he would not have died before the fall. This brings us to the interesting conclusion that the fruit of life had the remedy for death in it before anyone needed it!
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All that I know is that Adam and Eve had no belly buttons.
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All that I know is that Adam and Eve had no belly buttons.
but their children did
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but their children did
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Does anybody have any idea how much time there was between the time Adam was formed from the dust of the earth and when Eve was formed from material from his side?
Or how long after YHWH brought those two together in the Garden as a breeding pair until they disobeyed God as recorded in Genesis chapter 3?

I've been reading some books by L.R. Ooton and it sounds like he believed that when God said "Let us make man in our image..." he was speaking to Adam and Eve and about the process of reproduction. In other words, YHWH was encouraging them to have children.
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Does anybody have any idea how much time there was between the time Adam was formed from the dust of the earth and when Eve was formed from material from his side?
Or how long after YHWH brought those two together in the Garden as a breeding pair until they disobeyed God as recorded in Genesis chapter 3?

I once played with the thought that they sinned before the sixth day ended, when they were created. I wondered why the Lord told us in Hebrews 4 that the REST into which God planned for man to enter, starting with the opportunity at the seventh day, was not entered into by Adam, since the day after his creation would have been the sabbath day -- God's rest.

Heb 4:3-4 KJV For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. (4) For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.


The REST for man to enter was first given to man the very first seventh day!

And notice that the COOL OF THE DAY can be rendered, the end of the day.

Gen 3:8 GNB That evening they heard the LORD God walking in the garden, and they hid from him among the trees.


To be sure, Satan had to foil man from gaining God's LIFE in himself by way of the fruit of life, and multiplying with that Life in him. Adam had already multiplied ONCE in seeing EVE created from his side. To stop the continuation, the devil went to the woman through whom Adam would continue to multiply. THE SOONER THE BETTER!

Notice that the very things God said about Adam's purpose were judged by God.

Gen 1:28 KJV And God blessed them, and God said unto them,
Be fruitful,
and multiply,
and replenish the earth,
and subdue it:
and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


Gen 3:16-19 KJV Unto the woman he said,
I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;
in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. (17) And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; (18) Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; (19) In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

What a series of contrasts from the original note in Gen 1:28. Instead of multiplying in joy to see children fill the earth, they would see sorrow multiplied. Instead of both of them ruling earth, Eve would be ruled by her husband and Adam would sweat to see the earth bring forth to him. Instead of subduing earth, Adam would forever labour with the earth, only to return to it in a death he was never meant to experience.
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