Sorry....another..TV Question

I know that this issue has been talked about too much already, however I have a question of my own.

In the UPCI manual under the "Position Papers" section, there is a paragraph on the official position of the UPC in regards to internet use (this came out in 1998).

Rather than attempt to ban the internet, the UPC simply cautions everyone on its usage. The article recommends that the members of the UPC control, regulate, and be accountable when using the internet. But it doesn't BAN it.

Question: What would be wrong with changing the TV stand to this same type of sensible wording? Rather than having a total ban on TV why not copy the same wording on internet use and apply it to TV??

ANY thing that we MISUSE in this world is wrong. There is no way one could ban every thing that has the possibility of being misused.

Now with that said I truly believe God speaks to the heart of pastors and gives them direction concerning there own congregation. If any of the above was not being used appropriately than of course that local pastor would need to address that, with the members who could not control the internet or TV.

Anyway just my common sense opinion.

God Bless.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Bro.Bob

I know that this issue has been talked about too much already, however I have a question of my own.

In the UPCI manual under the "Position Papers" section, there is a paragraph on the official position of the UPC in regards to internet use (this came out in 1998).

Rather than attempt to ban the internet, the UPC simply cautions everyone on its usage. The article recommends that the members of the UPC control, regulate, and be accountable when using the internet. But it doesn't BAN it.

Question: What would be wrong with changing the TV stand to this same type of sensible wording? Rather than having a total ban on TV why not copy the same wording on internet use and apply it to TV??

ANY thing that we MISUSE in this world is wrong. There is no way one could ban every thing that has the possibility of being misused.

Now with that said I truly believe God speaks to the heart of pastors and gives them direction concerning there own congregation. If any of the above was not being used appropriately than of course that local pastor would need to address that, with the members who could not control the internet or TV.

Anyway just my common sense opinion.

God Bless.

Sorry that makes too much sense.

Furthermore there some stats in the survey which just don't jive w/ TV advertising/usage and the present position on internet ...

while its a statistical dead heat on the issue of advertising on TV and most feel ministers should not be granted the liberty to advertise ...

The following results are confusing:

11. Do you think it's acceptable to advertise on the Internet but not on the TV?

Yes - 45.4%
No - 54.6%

12. Do you think it's acceptable to minister on the Internet but not on the TV?

Yes - 45.7%
No- 54.3%


Now, either folks see this position as an inconsistency or some want to abolish Internet advertising/ministering also.

The survey question that still has me puzzled is

13. Would you be in favor of the UPCI producing commercials for advertising on TV?

Yes - 52%
No - 48%

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Bro.Bob

I know that this issue has been talked about too much already, however I have a question of my own.

In the UPCI manual under the "Position Papers" section, there is a paragraph on the official position of the UPC in regards to internet use (this came out in 1998).

Rather than attempt to ban the internet, the UPC simply cautions everyone on its usage. The article recommends that the members of the UPC control, regulate, and be accountable when using the internet. But it doesn't BAN it.

Question: What would be wrong with changing the TV stand to this same type of sensible wording? Rather than having a total ban on TV why not copy the same wording on internet use and apply it to TV??
ANY thing that we MISUSE in this world is wrong. There is no way one could ban every thing that has the possibility of being misused.

Now with that said I truly believe God speaks to the heart of pastors and gives them direction concerning there own congregation. If any of the above was not being used appropriately than of course that local pastor would need to address that, with the members who could not control the internet or TV.

Anyway just my common sense opinion.

God Bless.

Because the TV prohibition is the holy grail of the org...to lift the ban is to give away a very important piece of territory....It is the temple mount, don't give it back to the islamoes....lifting the ban of TV was were the Assembly of Gods lost all of their holiness standards...ammending the ban is the slippery slope into gross sin and spiritual neglect....the TV prohibition is the bastion of braggatory righteous proclamations, "we don't allow hollywoood to influence our homes"...it's the seperation!!!!

[triumphant1]

Last but not least....

None of the Apostolic prreachers or churches can handle having tv, the spirituality of the movement is so low that tv will turn all of the preachers into proud, money grubbing, movie stars and will turn the churches into nothing more than entertainment centers...

[OP_Carl]

Hey Bobbo!

If there was a government mandate that all citizens, including children, watch two hours of television per night, and it was all government propaganda, would you resist?

Now, what if it was all propaganda, in the form of "documentaries" that disproved the bible and Christianity?

And last but not least, what if just your children were required to watch, and what if it wasn't blatant propaganda at all, but was subtle, almost subliminal, programming intended to limit critical thought, promote emotional reaction over rational reason, and deconstruct traditional values of family, patriarchy, self-sacrifice, and freedom?

Because that's what we're getting.

Originally Posted by triumphant1

Last but not least....

None of the Apostolic prreachers or churches can handle having tv, the spirituality of the movement is so low that tv will turn all of the preachers into proud, money grubbing, movie stars and will turn the churches into nothing more than entertainment centers...

Your capacity for mockery is only exceeded by your incapacity to comprehend.

The programming and commercials aren't good, psychologically, for us to watch. You probably consider yourself immune to the power of suggestion, but that just shows that you are becoming calloused to the siren song of blasphemy and hedonism. Your children are

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Hey Bobbo!

If there was a government mandate that all citizens, including children, watch two hours of television per night, and it was all government propaganda, would you resist?

Now, what if it was all propaganda, in the form of "documentaries" that disproved the bible and Christianity?

And last but not least, what if just your children were required to watch, and what if it wasn't blatant propaganda at all, but was subtle, almost subliminal, programming intended to limit critical thought, promote emotional reaction over rational reason, and deconstruct traditional values of family, patriarchy, self-sacrifice, and freedom?

Because that's what we're getting.



Your capacity for mockery is only exceeded by your incapacity to comprehend.

The programming and commercials aren't good, psychologically, for us to watch. You probably consider yourself immune to the power of suggestion, but that just shows that you are becoming calloused to the siren song of blasphemy and hedonism. Your children are

I comprehend that you did not follow all of my posts on this thread concerning this matter...

I have a greater level of ability to comprehend than you do obviously....

I also comprehend that your spirituality has to be legislated and that you have no way to control the works of your own flesh or to gird up your own mind or to think on the right things without a total prohibition and abstinence...

I comprehend that you cannot afford to watch those commercials because you have no self control....

I finally comprehend that you started a sentence about my children but failed to finish it...

Oh one more thing, I comprehend that you don't know jack squat about my children so I'd suggest you leave them out of this....

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

I comprehend that you did not follow all of my posts on this thread concerning this matter...

I have a greater level of ability to comprehend than you do obviously....

I also comprehend that your spirituality has to be legislated and that you have no way to control the works of your own flesh or to gird up your own mind or to think on the right things without a total prohibition and abstinence...

You are projecting some things onto me here unmeritoriously. I am convinced that people are going to do what people want to do. I don't support Pentecostal fascism. I believe that if people can find a conjunction of a moment of personal and spiritual clarity, and be presented with the facts and evidence of the agendas behind most television programming, they will decide that it is not only ungodly, but detracts from the bona fide goals of the overcoming Christian.

I comprehend that you cannot afford to watch those commercials because you have no self control....

I stand by my first statement using the word.

I finally comprehend that you started a sentence about my children but failed to finish it...

I realized what a waste of words the whole thing was, and was about to delete it, but at the last second submitted the reply anyhow.

Oh one more thing, I comprehend that you don't know jack squat about my children so I'd suggest you leave them out of this....

Your children, and mine, being less mature and self-aware, are more susceptible to the visual devices employed by marketers. And it isn't just toys they're selling.


I keep saying that the stuff has a lot of innuendo that is bad for man and boy alike, and some of you keep interpreting it to mean that I'm a TV nazi ready to smash sets and take names.

I keep saying that the internet shows you what you ask it to show you, and broadcast television incessantly pumps what they want to show you, and yet this is either ignored or not comprehended as well, evidenced by all the hollering about hypocrisy.


What is the goal of this thread? Are you hoping to persuade, be persuaded, find justification, or just be antagonistic?

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

You are projecting some things onto me here unmeritoriously. I am convinced that people are going to do what people want to do. I don't support Pentecostal fascism. I believe that if people can find a conjunction of a moment of personal and spiritual clarity, and be presented with the facts and evidence of the agendas behind most television programming, they will decide that it is not only ungodly, but detracts from the bona fide goals of the overcoming Christian.

I stand by my first statement using the word.

I realized what a waste of words the whole thing was, and was about to delete it, but at the last second submitted the reply anyhow.



Your children, and mine, being less mature and self-aware, are more susceptible to the visual devices employed by marketers. And it isn't just toys they're selling.


I keep saying that the stuff has a lot of innuendo that is bad for man and boy alike, and some of you keep interpreting it to mean that I'm a TV nazi ready to smash sets and take names.

I keep saying that the internet shows you what you ask it to show you, and broadcast television incessantly pumps what they want to show you, and yet this is either ignored or not comprehended as well, evidenced by all the hollering about hypocrisy.

What is the goal of this thread? Are you hoping to persuade, be persuaded, find justification, or just be antagonistic?

I disagree with this in the confines of I watch what I want to watch and turn off what I want to turn off...I have program guides which give me the ratings of the show and information beforehand concerning content...

When I sign on the internet at my house my home page flashes all kinds of advertisements at me...some with women in skimpy attire, bikinis, and such...advertising vacations spots and such...how am I in total control there? I end up seeing...if even for a brief moment...that which I am not in control of seeing...

This argument doesn't hold water in this regard...plain and simple, both the internet and TV must be controlled in a Christian manner.

I do not know what the goal of this thread is and have no idea why you asked me...I did not author it.

[Pragmatist]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Hey Bobbo!

If there was a government mandate that all citizens, including children, watch two hours of television per night, and it was all government propaganda, would you resist?

Now, what if it was all propaganda, in the form of "documentaries" that disproved the bible and Christianity?

And last but not least, what if just your children were required to watch, and what if it wasn't blatant propaganda at all, but was subtle, almost subliminal, programming intended to limit critical thought, promote emotional reaction over rational reason, and deconstruct traditional values of family, patriarchy, self-sacrifice, and freedom?

Because that's what we're getting.

Point taken, except there is no mandate.

I watch very little television, but still want the option of turning on the news or the football game should my sweet little one decide to nap at an appropriate time.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Pragmatist

Point taken, except there is no mandate.

So you would resist if the government mandated that you and your children spend time daily viewing anti-Christian propaganda? How would you resist?

Why would it become important to resist it if it were more institutionalized?

What about it would cause you to be more brave and principled than you are now?

I watch very little television, but still want the option of turning on the news or the football game should my sweet little one decide to nap at an appropriate time.

Leave it on one of the three networks during dinner some weeknight and try to count the number of times God is blasphemed or sex is referenced.

Ask yourself how desensitization to this garbage is going to be helpful to your goals of winning more people to God.