Freedom of religion. Constitution.

[coadie]

Ammendment
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances

Religion makes only one direct and obvious appearance in the original Constitution that seems to point to a desire for some degree of religious freedom. That appearance is in Article 6, at the end of the third clause:

[N]o religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_reli.html

Virginia:

That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence, and therefore all men have an equal, natural and unalienable right to the exercise of religion according to the dictates of conscience, and that no particular sect or society ought to be favored or established by law in preference to others.

The word 'religion' is not defined in the Constitution.
This recent kerfluffle is an attack by the left on what the "Conservatives right"
Works salvation by the lefties. If they can be more politically correct, they claim the highest virtue.

If we have 30 Mosques in the NYC Metro area, we have far exceeded any claims if prohibiting the Muslim worship.

What is the liberal and anti religious left doing with this sudden fascination in religion? They have the ACLU fighting religion for decades.
The liberals vote for abortion and claim abstinence education must be removed from schools because it is religious.

Simple summary. Congress is not making laws in NYC and they are not creating a religion.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Hey Bro,

Most of the lefties I know are not godless.

Some are actually Christian, but most of the ones that I know who claim to believe in a "higher power", will not subscribe to one particular religion.

They don't want it shoved down their throats, but they wouldn't want to see an America without religious freedom.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Hey Bro,

Most of the lefties I know are not godless.Some are actually Christian, but most of the ones that I know who claim to believe in a "higher power", will not subscribe to one particular religion.

They don't want it shoved down their throats, but they wouldn't want to see an America without religious freedom.

Thanks for giving us an example of creating a false argument. Can you give us some examples of shoving it down the throat? Names and places.

This thread is about the Constitution. It refers to an ammendment. The constitution places a limit on the Congress.


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances

You are trying to turn it around and say it tells us what to do. It doesn't.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by coadie

Thanks for giving us an example of creating a false argument. Can you give us some examples of shoving it down the throat? Names and places.

This thread is about the Constitution. It refers to an ammendment. The constitution places a limit on the Congress.


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances

You are trying to turn it around and say it tells us what to do. It doesn't.

You are the one that started talking about lefties in the opening post. It is only reasonable to expect others to respond to the comments you post and not just the opening thread title.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by coadie

Thanks for giving us an example of creating a false argument. Can you give us some examples of shoving it down the throat? Names and places.

This thread is about the Constitution. It refers to an ammendment. The constitution places a limit on the Congress.


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances

You are trying to turn it around and say it tells us what to do. It doesn't.

And actually it does tell us what to do. It tells us to make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. So what law can be used to stop the mosque from being built that isn't going to be prohibiting the free exercise of religion?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by jfrog

And actually it does tell us what to do. It tells us to make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. So what law can be used to stop the mosque from being built that isn't going to be prohibiting the free exercise of religion?

It says Congress shall make no law. You and I are not lawmakers.

My son sings in NYC @ Lincoln Center. My daughter does track meets there. I have The Port authority as a customer of my company. Having said that, There are thousands of laws but they don't come from congress. The Port has zoning laws and authority. I know what is going on there. I can't peicture why people live there. How many Mosques are in the area?
Can't you show any example of a law that keeps a Muslim from doing his ritual in NYC? It is over reaching to try to convince me that a Mosque can be built anywhere.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by coadie

It says Congress shall make no law. You and I are not lawmakers.

My son sings in NYC @ Lincoln Center. My daughter does track meets there. I have The Port authority as a customer of my company. Having said that, There are thousands of laws but they don't come from congress. The Port has zoning laws and authority. I know what is going on there. I can't peicture why people live there. How many Mosques are in the area?
Can't you show any example of a law that keeps a Muslim from doing his ritual in NYC? It is over reaching to try to convince me that a Mosque can be built anywhere.

The 1st ammendment also applies to the states and even local governments. Therefore, what I said applies for any level of government.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by coadie

It says Congress shall make no law. You and I are not lawmakers.

My son sings in NYC @ Lincoln Center. My daughter does track meets there. I have The Port authority as a customer of my company. Having said that, There are thousands of laws but they don't come from congress. The Port has zoning laws and authority. I know what is going on there. I can't peicture why people live there. How many Mosques are in the area?
Can't you show any example of a law that keeps a Muslim from doing his ritual in NYC? It is over reaching to try to convince me that a Mosque can be built anywhere.

Could a UPCI Worship Center and community center be built there if they had the funds? If not, why not?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by coadie

Ammendment
"



http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_reli.html

Virginia:



The word 'religion' is not defined in the Constitution.
This recent kerfluffle is an attack by the left on what the "Conservatives right"
Works salvation by the lefties. If they can be more politically correct, they claim the highest virtue.

If we have 30 Mosques in the NYC Metro area, we have far exceeded any claims if prohibiting the Muslim worship.

What is the liberal and anti religious left doing with this sudden fascination in religion? They have the ACLU fighting religion for decades.
The liberals vote for abortion and claim abstinence education must be removed from schools because it is religious.

Simple summary. Congress is not making laws in NYC and they are not creating a religion.

The 1st ammendment prohibits much more than laws creating a religion.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by jfrog

The 1st ammendment prohibits much more than laws creating a religion.

Do you wudu?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Gubment can't make a law requiring wudu. Please do tell where it says I am required to provide a place,time and facility for people to do wudu.
Don't get us started on ghusl.