3 steppers

KWSS1976 · #1 05-13-2009, 09:33 AM

This is for the 3 steppers how do you explain
Romans 10:9

ChTatum · #2 05-13-2009, 10:04 AM

That one is simple. Romans is written to "those called to be saints"; the church. It deals with the necessary belief in the resurrection of Jesus for a child of God to be saved.

It is addressed in other epistles as well. As the church grew and people came into the church, some carried the baggage of past beliefs, such as the belief in no resurrection.

It is also dealt with in 1 Thess. 4:13-18.

KWSS1976 · #3 05-13-2009, 10:10 AM

Chtatum I read that and it says the dead in christ will rise first are those the unsaved people going up first....

Justin · #4 05-13-2009, 10:19 AM

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Chtatum I read that and it says the dead in christ will rise first are those the unsaved people going up first....

Do you have any examples of the "one step mode" of salvation being exercised in the book of Acts?

A.W. Bowman · #5 05-13-2009, 11:18 AM

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Do you have any examples of the "one step mode" of salvation being exercised in the book of Acts?

The identification of who is saved is clear: Acts 2:21 (The prophecy of Joel)

They did, in Acts 2:37 and then they asked, what shall we do now? Peter then gave them their next instructions for starting their life-long relationship with Jesus and the brethren, and the instructions did not stop there!

gloryseeker · #6 05-13-2009, 12:14 PM

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The identification of who is saved is clear: Acts 2:21 (The prophecy of Joel)

They did, in Acts 2:37 and then they asked, what shall we do now? Peter then gave them their next instructions for starting their life-long relationship with Jesus and the brethren, and the instructions did not stop there!

the error that many make is to use a single scripture as the basis of any doctrinal position. All scripture must agree.

Jesus speaking of the Old Covenant told the religious crowd that they search the scripture (Old Covenant) and think they have life when in fact it was a testimony of Him. Therefore, the new cannot contradict the old either.

The cross did not change the heart of God because God says He never changes. The cross only changed the relationship between man and God. So to try and isolate one scripture to form a doctrinal position is gross error. Let the Word interpret the Word don't try to make it fit your theology

Jack Shephard · #7 05-13-2009, 12:36 PM

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the error that many make is to use a single scripture as the basis of any doctrinal position. All scripture must agree.

Jesus speaking of the Old Covenant told the religious crowd that they search the scripture (Old Covenant) and think they have life when in fact it was a testimony of Him. Therefore, the new cannot contradict the old either.

The cross did not change the heart of God because God says He never changes. The cross only changed the relationship between man and God. So to try and isolate one scripture to form a doctrinal position is gross error. Let the Word interpret the Word don't try to make it fit your theology

I think that this is taken out of context in the Bible, IMO. Of course it is my opinion though some others might share it. I honestly believe that God DOES change. When the word says "I change not" I don't believe that it means that literally God NEVER changes. Look at how thins have been done for ages by God. He is constantly changing. I believe that the verse is actually saying if I could paraphrase, "I NEVER change the way I operate. I am constantly changing things because I change things things don't change me." With that being said I don't believe that God changes like a human changes...He is TRUTH--truth is always truth. Humans change from one belief to another from good to bad. God doesn't He changes his way to reach people and changes the way He moves. Pre-Pentecost He didn't do the things that He does now in-as you said-His relationship to us. God does change you see it through scripture.

Typing it out makes it difficult to explain. Hope I made it clear what I am saying.

ChTatum · #8 05-13-2009, 11:10 AM

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Chtatum I read that and it says the dead in christ will rise first are those the unsaved people going up first....

Then you didn't start with verse 13, whcih states "I would not have you to be ignorant brethren, concerning them which are asleep in Christ". The doctrine had crept into the church which discounted the resurrection, and it is this doctrine which Paul addresses.

KWSS1976 · #9 05-13-2009, 10:28 AM

Yea Acts 16

Justin · #10 05-13-2009, 10:36 AM

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Yea Acts 16

You mean verse 31? What about 32 and 33?

Paul didn't stop at verse 31.

31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

32And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

33And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

In verse 32 it seems Paul did a little preaching or teaching, then in the next verse, they were baptized.

I do not see support for one-stepper theology.