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Old 02-10-2013, 02:30 AM
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Is Ethnic Israel Entitled to the Land?

God made a land covenant with Abraham. Abraham is the father of the faithful. ethnic Israel has rejected christ, the seed and heir of Abraham. Those who have faith in christ are the heirs to the land covenant whether messianic jews or gentile.

anything wrong with this logic?
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Old 02-10-2013, 08:49 AM
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God made a land covenant with Abraham. Abraham is the father of the faithful. ethnic Israel has rejected christ, the seed and heir of Abraham. Those who have faith in christ are the heirs to the land covenant whether messianic jews or gentile.

anything wrong with this logic?
Sounds like that idea could be a corollary of Supersessionism (Replacement Theology).
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Sounds like that idea could be a corollary of Supersessionism (Replacement Theology).
that is one view i'm trying to understand the differences. if that logic isn't true then ethnic israel is entitled to inherit the land whether they are believers in messiah or not. is that your view?
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:08 PM
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that is one view i'm trying to understand the differences. if that logic isn't true then ethnic israel is entitled to inherit the land whether they are believers in messiah or not. is that your view?
Hello Dedicated Mind,

I believe the land of Israel belongs to Abraham's seed after the flesh through Jacob.
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Old 02-11-2013, 08:29 AM
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Re: Is Ethnic Israel Entitled to the Land?

From my point of view NT teaches that natural Isreal was a type of spiritual Isreal. The church. Jesus said the OT spoke of him. If we are the children of Abraham by faith, spiritual Isreal. Isreal has become the church. Then it goes to say that the land promise was also a type of the kingdom of God spiritualy.

Of course all you that believe in a coming earthly throne will not want to agree with this.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:14 AM
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Re: Is Ethnic Israel Entitled to the Land?

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
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From my point of view NT teaches that natural Isreal was a type of spiritual Isreal. The church. Jesus said the OT spoke of him. If we are the children of Abraham by faith, spiritual Isreal. Isreal has become the church. Then it goes to say that the land promise was also a type of the kingdom of God spiritualy.

Of course all you that believe in a coming earthly throne will not want to agree with this.
The church is the elect of this age, but never fear God will fulfill every promise made to Abraham, including the "...graphing of them back into the olive tree...." They are currently out of favor, but God's anger is not forever, "...all Israel will be saved..." Why do you think the hatred of the world is on Israel??? The focus of the world will create the opportunity for God to display His power and faithfullness. It may not be long now.
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that is one view i'm trying to understand the differences. if that logic isn't true then ethnic israel is entitled to inherit the land whether they are believers in messiah or not. is that your view?
God blinded their eyes, to the saving of the nations, He is well able to give them sight, and remove the vail from their eyes. His focus is the elect from the Gentiles for this age, but He is not finished with Israel nor His creation.
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It belongs to the nation of Israel.
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