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Old 12-24-2022, 06:43 AM
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2 Tim. 4:8’s appearing

https://biblehub.com/2_timothy/4-8.htm

Was Paul in this verse speaking of Jesus’ previous appearance for his 33 years of earthly ministry, or a future appearing….because some translations sound one way, others sound the other way.

“Have loved His appearing
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look forward to his appearing
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Re: 2 Tim. 4:8’s appearing

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https://biblehub.com/2_timothy/4-8.htm

Was Paul in this verse speaking of Jesus’ previous appearance for his 33 years of earthly ministry, or a future appearing….because some translations sound one way, others sound the other way.

“Have loved His appearing
Vs
look forward to his appearing
Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Meyer's NT Commentary:

While Paul expresses for himself the hope of the reward of victory, he knows that he is not claiming something special for himself alone. Hence he adds: Οὐ ΜΌΝΟΝ ΔῈ ἘΜΟΊ (sc. ἀποδώσει κ.τ.λ.), ἈΛΛᾺ ΚΑῚ ΠᾶΣΙ ΤΟῖς ἨΓΑΠΗΚΌΣΙ] the perfect in the sense of the present: “who have fixed their love on,” i.e. “who love” (comp. Winer, p. 256 [E. T. p. 341]). But if we proceed from the standpoint of ἀποδώσει, the perfect may also be understood to mean: “to those who in this mortal life have longed for the appearing of the Lord” (Hofmann).

ΤῊΝ ἘΠΙΦΆΝΕΙΑΝ ΑὐΤΟῦ] is not to be understood of the first appearance of the Lord in the flesh, 2 Timothy 1:10, but, according to the context, and in harmony with 2 Timothy 4:1, of the second coming. The verb ἨΓΑΠΗΚΌΣΙ is not opposed to this, for it is used elsewhere to denote the desire for something future; see 1 Peter 3:10. Matthies: “to all who in love for Him wait longingly for His second coming.”
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Re: 2 Tim. 4:8’s appearing

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Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Meyer's NT Commentary:

While Paul expresses for himself the hope of the reward of victory, he knows that he is not claiming something special for himself alone. Hence he adds: Οὐ ΜΌΝΟΝ ΔῈ ἘΜΟΊ (sc. ἀποδώσει κ.τ.λ.), ἈΛΛᾺ ΚΑῚ ΠᾶΣΙ ΤΟῖς ἨΓΑΠΗΚΌΣΙ] the perfect in the sense of the present: “who have fixed their love on,” i.e. “who love” (comp. Winer, p. 256 [E. T. p. 341]). But if we proceed from the standpoint of ἀποδώσει, the perfect may also be understood to mean: “to those who in this mortal life have longed for the appearing of the Lord” (Hofmann).

ΤῊΝ ἘΠΙΦΆΝΕΙΑΝ ΑὐΤΟῦ] is not to be understood of the first appearance of the Lord in the flesh, 2 Timothy 1:10, but, according to the context, and in harmony with 2 Timothy 4:1, of the second coming. The verb ἨΓΑΠΗΚΌΣΙ is not opposed to this, for it is used elsewhere to denote the desire for something future; see 1 Peter 3:10. Matthies: “to all who in love for Him wait longingly for His second coming.”

Thank you for helping me resolve that.
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