Strict Baptist Eschatology

[Amanah]

Does anyone know if Strict Baptists are Historicists?

[Esaias]

Strict Baptist might know.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Strict Baptist might know.

I think he is mad at me, hopefully we can have a truce and discuss.

[Strict Baptist]

I would much rather discuss our soteriology -- often summarized to be that we believe in sin and grace-- rather than our eschatology, but it is a gospel doctrine indeed. Terms would have to be defined. We are not Zionists or chiliasts, believing in a literal interpretation of the sacred record wherever possible; we are Biblicists. Thus, we believe in a literal blessed heaven and the regeneration for which we, like all Jesus' sheep, yearn, a literal inferno into which all reprobates not chosen for deliverance from sin's shackles shall go bodily until the last day where all will be judged. The righteous then go into life perpetual with a new name and a white stone; the wicked who have the beastly mark into hell eternally cast into the lake of fire. The righteous, being members of spiritual Zion, God's kingdom, and not of the antichrist world owned by the beast, false prophet and devil, being born again to see it by incorruptible seed. If by our beliefs on the end times, we believe Christ's utter victory bound Lucifer at the cross, and that since then we are in the last time. The dragon has been loosed a little season, which is why he is duping the nations. It is a sure sign the resurrection of the Master is approaching (Revelation 22:20-21). We are more or less amillenarians, though I prefer gospel millenarian. The gospel is God's power, and through this prism ought all scripture to be exegeted; most of the brethren are not as well-read as I am but we have a Christocentric redemptive-historical view. Perhaps Chapters 31 and 32 of the 1689 would be a worthy review. Mind the links to the abberant Founder's Movement at the link.

We disbelieve in the whole errant Jesuit dispensational futurist scheme, including that there is a tribulation. Jesus per Apocalypse 12 perfectly corresponding to Daniel nine, Hosea 11 and Matthew 2.15 endured that tribulation. He is the Messiah cut off who was in the desert three years and a half (1260 days) until Herod's demise. The seventy weeks were answered, for if not, the entire new covenant would be null. Nevertheless, some classic premillenarians (Dr John Gill most prominently, the author of the first modern Baptist commentary) exist among us. We believe all are in Christ excepting a full præterist, which we question stringently as to how they are redeemed from sacred ire. I know of zero postmillenarians historically or presently among us or futurists.

I suggest two books, one my my friend Elder Jeffery Winfrey called What Shall We Say Then? The second is What Do Gospel Standard Baptists Believe?

Apologies to Esaias for the incorrect title.

[Strict Baptist]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I think he is mad at me, hopefully we can have a truce and discuss.

No (Romans 12-14). Blessed by the horn of salvation that my rejoicing all the day is to have been delivered from great gall of bitterness from my torrential, viciously abusive past. I simply don't enjoy false accusations. My grandfather, that false prophet, will not speak to me yet somehow thinks he knows what I believe without ever asking; he got it all second hand at best, and that by gossip. He has not even read a whit of the creeds below or any of our writings. You should be commended for asking since it at least shows you would look well to your going (Proverbs 14:15).

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Strict Baptist

No (Romans 12-14). Blessed by the horn of salvation that my rejoicing all the day is to have been delivered from great gall of bitterness from my torrential, viciously abusive past. I simply don't enjoy false accusations. My grandfather, that false prophet, will not speak to me yet somehow thinks he knows what I believe without ever asking; he got it all second hand at best, and that by gossip. He has not even read a whit of the creeds below or any of our writings. You should be commended for asking since it at least shows you would look well to your going (Proverbs 14:15).

What organization or fellowship are you are part of?

[Strict Baptist]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

What organization or fellowship are you are part of?

I am not part of an organization, because we are not a denomination or convention. Baptists trace back to Matthew 16.18; even the Dutch Reformed whose Three Forms of Unity abominate us admitted in a chapter in one of their histories on Reformed Reader there were Baptist churches in the first century. I tried to join Old Paths Strict Baptist Church in Montana in December 2017; however, it was predicated on my being hired by Gospel Mission Books to replace my publisher. The board declined me graciously on health reasons. I'm still friends with him and the board president. If the Lord will, I will hope to join a Primitive Baptist church in Nebraska once a pending employment opportunity comes through. We do not have conventions or a denominational headquarters; the Strict Baptists in North America and the UK subscribe to the Gospel Standard Articles, thus they are often called Gospel Standard Baptists. Primitive Baptists believe almost identically, yet the culture differs. Sadly, there are a broad variety of imposters among us ranging from Missionary Baptists who won't alter their name to Progressives who are departing from us, but we have never been separated from God's love, hallelujah.

[Amanah]

Strict Baptist, are these your AOF?

http://5solas.org/media.php?id=574

[Strict Baptist]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Strict Baptist, are these your AOF?

http://5solas.org/media.php?id=574

Yes, those are the Gospel Standard Articles. They are sound; however, some of us would like to revise them for a statement on the resurrection since such at their time of composition weren't required; everyone believed in the resurrection of various orders at the time. The trouble is the UK parliament would have to approve; they will not vote on it. Primitive Baptists usually have their own articles in doctrinal agreement to us. The First and Second London (also the Philadelphia or Fulton Confession) or 1655 Midlands are popular. It is not uncommon either for them to have only the scriptures or an organic creed. Each person joining a Gospel Standard church is given a copy prior to dipping they sign as a proper confession of their faith. Primitive Baptists, who are more common in the US like Old Regulars usually don't require that, but excommunication is common yet not obscene and usually with solid evidence and a church court.

While I don't mind them, I do not hold to them by reason of being incomplete doctrinally and not systematic. The printed version will state they are a revision of Dr Gill's 1729 Goat-Yard Declaration (another popular creed) that itself is a revision of the 1689. I dislike creeds I cannot easily use in discipleship. The best exposition of them would be KFT Matrunola's The Doctrines of Grace found at the website below.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Strict Baptist

I am not part of an organization, because we are not a denomination or convention. Baptists trace back to Matthew 16.18; even the Dutch Reformed whose Three Forms of Unity abominate us admitted in a chapter in one of their histories on Reformed Reader there were Baptist churches in the first century. I tried to join Old Paths Strict Baptist Church in Montana in December 2017; however, it was predicated on my being hired by Gospel Mission Books to replace my publisher. The board declined me graciously on health reasons. I'm still friends with him and the board president. If the Lord will, I will hope to join a Primitive Baptist church in Nebraska once a pending employment opportunity comes through. We do not have conventions or a denominational headquarters; the Strict Baptists in North America and the UK subscribe to the Gospel Standard Articles, thus they are often called Gospel Standard Baptists. Primitive Baptists believe almost identically, yet the culture differs. Sadly, there are a broad variety of imposters among us ranging from Missionary Baptists who won't alter their name to Progressives who are departing from us, but we have never been separated from God's love, hallelujah.

SB - the reason I ask this was because you seem from your posts to be "a man without a country" or organization/church in this application.
And from your answer, my assessment is correct.
Carry on...