Canadian Healthcare the real story

[aegsm76]

For those here who are in love with Canada's system of healthcare, please read this:
link
http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...autionary-tale
snippets
Canada’s largest province is projected to see health-care costs soar to the point where they will consume 80 percent of the entire provincial budget by 2030, up from 46 percent in 2010.
Canadian taxpayers pay, on average, $10,500 per year for all their health-care needs. Canadians simply have no concept of how much the services they consume cost, since the CHA prohibits providers from ever showing patients a bill.
In other words, Canada’s rigid state monopoly on health insurance works only because Canadians secretly have a private alternative: America’s market-based system.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

For those here who are in love with Canada's system of healthcare, please read this:
link
http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...autionary-tale
snippets
Canada’s largest province is projected to see health-care costs soar to the point where they will consume 80 percent of the entire provincial budget by 2030, up from 46 percent in 2010.
Canadian taxpayers pay, on average, $10,500 per year for all their health-care needs. Canadians simply have no concept of how much the services they consume cost, since the CHA prohibits providers from ever showing patients a bill.
In other words, Canada’s rigid state monopoly on health insurance works only because Canadians secretly have a private alternative: America’s market-based system.

Have you no shame?! Canada is the pristine example of goobermint run health care!

[Aquila]

Watch, Canada will find a way to make it work. No one said single payer is easy or doesn't have its challenges. But it is sure better than having 50 million uninsured and an average of 45,000 dying every year from treatable conditions which is what we see in the United States.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Watch, Canada will find a way to make it work. No one said single payer is easy or doesn't have its challenges. But it is sure better than having 50 million uninsured and an average of 45,000 dying every year from treatable conditions which is what we see in the United States.

I have never seen any studies that stated we had 50 million uninsured.
Can you give me a link?
Also you might want to go read this article.
link
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/site...-in-canada.pdf
snippet
We find that, over this 16-year period, increases in wait times for medically necessary elective treatment may be associated with 44,273 additional female deaths (with a 95% confidence interval from 25,456 to 63,090).
This represents approximately 2.5% of total female deaths during the period or 1.2% of total mortality (male and female) during the period.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

I have never seen any studies that stated we had 50 million uninsured.
Can you give me a link?
Also you might want to go read this article.
link
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/site...-in-canada.pdf
snippet
We find that, over this 16-year period, increases in wait times for medically necessary elective treatment may be associated with 44,273 additional female deaths (with a 95% confidence interval from 25,456 to 63,090).
This represents approximately 2.5% of total female deaths during the period or 1.2% of total mortality (male and female) during the period.

I know you're a conservative, so I'll be merciful and give you time to do your own homework on the issue. The average was said to be roughly 50 million uninsured. And the average number of deaths among the uninsured per year was considered to be roughly 45,000 a year.

Please note, in July of 2007, my mother was one of those 45,000 uninsured Americans who died from a condition that could have been treatable. Things might have been different if she had insurance and could have seen a specialist.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I know you're a conservative, so I'll be merciful and give you time to do your own homework on the issue. The average was said to be roughly 50 million uninsured. And the average number of deaths among the uninsured per year was considered to be roughly 45,000 a year.

From 2009, when job loss was at its peak (and likely the loss of insurance as well), there were thought to be approximately 46 million without insurance. Again this number is skewed as job losses likely inflated the number of uninsured.

Harvard did a study and came up with 45,000/yr deaths of uninsured. The number is disputed and most say the number is closer to 30,000/yr.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Please note, in July of 2007, my mother was one of those 45,000 uninsured Americans who died from a condition that could have been treatable. Things might have been different if she had insurance and could have seen a specialist.

Pardon my skepticism, but there is likely more to the story than what you've repeated in various posts.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I know you're a conservative, so I'll be merciful and give you time to do your own homework on the issue. The average was said to be roughly 50 million uninsured. And the average number of deaths among the uninsured per year was considered to be roughly 45,000 a year.

Please note, in July of 2007, my mother was one of those 45,000 uninsured Americans who died from a condition that could have been treatable. Things might have been different if she had insurance and could have seen a specialist.

Already did my homework and I could not find anything to support your claim.
Also, I have refrained from questions about your mothers situation, due to obvious reasons.
But when you continue to bring it up to bolster your position that everyone should have healthcare, it does make me wonder more about the story.
I know you have shared some details before and I am not asking for any details and do not want to know them.
But, you are effectively using a personal tragedy to stifle debate on an issue.
Please do not take this the wrong way, as I do consider you my brother in Christ and would not try to offend you.

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I know you're a conservative, so I'll be merciful and give you time to do your own homework on the issue. The average was said to be roughly 50 million uninsured. And the average number of deaths among the uninsured per year was considered to be roughly 45,000 a year.

Please note, in July of 2007, my mother was one of those 45,000 uninsured Americans who died from a condition that could have been treatable. Things might have been different if she had insurance and could have seen a specialist.

Sooooo, now that you bring this up,.....

There was no way that she could have seen a specialist ? No way at all?

No way that she could have went in and somehow come up with the money? I find it hard to believe that there was absolutely no other alternative than the government to help her.

How about your family? Couldn't they have helped her pay?

How about sending her to Mexico, say to Monterrey, that has some of the best doctors out of that country, and it is way cheaper?

See, when we get it in our mind that the government is our only hope then we cross out creative thinking.

I recently had my son who had a medical emergency and I am a self payer. That means I don't have insurance except what I pay. His ambulance was 2500, his doctor was 1500, and the emergency bill was 13500. Total bill for 4 hours was 17,500.00.

But, I am a self payer so I started working out deals. Cutting deals with them is the way to work. They will negotiate, trust me.

So far we are getting things worked out to less than .50 on the dollar.

What kind of specialist did she need?

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

For those here who are in love with Canada's system of healthcare, please read this:
link
http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...autionary-tale
snippets
Canada’s largest province is projected to see health-care costs soar to the point where they will consume 80 percent of the entire provincial budget by 2030, up from 46 percent in 2010.
Canadian taxpayers pay, on average, $10,500 per year for all their health-care needs. Canadians simply have no concept of how much the services they consume cost, since the CHA prohibits providers from ever showing patients a bill.
In other words, Canada’s rigid state monopoly on health insurance works only because Canadians secretly have a private alternative: America’s market-based system.

HERE IS THE REAL STORY ABOUT CANADA's SYSTEM:

Total BS has been posted here about the Canadian system.

I am in British Columbia, I pay 150 dollars/month for health care.
Covers my doctors visits, hospital, etc.
My son with wife and 4 children pays the same.

I went through open heart surgery, never cost me a dime.
I was flown by air ambulance a distance of 700 mile to the hospital for emergency help, cost me 50 dollar for the flight.
I DO pay for my own medication because my income is above a certain level and I don't mind paying. I can deduct it from my income taxes.
People who can not pay for medication are taken care of through the welfare system.

Anybody who says that the Canadian system is lousy does not know what he's talking about.
It's the best in the world.

I had knee surgery for free.

Just recently I spend time in the hospital (before Christmas), another heart attack.
Almost died.

They installed a pacemaker free of charge.
Travelled by ambulance 5 hours, free of charge.

Spend days in the hospital.
Several blood tests, lab visits, specialists visits, etc etc all included in the monthly fee of 150 dollars.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

HERE IS THE REAL STORY ABOUT CANADA's SYSTEM:

Total BS has been posted here about the Canadian system.

I am in British Columbia, I pay 150 dollars/month for health care.
Covers my doctors visits, hospital, etc.
My son with wife and 4 children pays the same.

I went through open heart surgery, never cost me a dime.
I was flown by air ambulance a distance of 700 mile to the hospital for emergency help, cost me 50 dollar for the flight.
I DO pay for my own medication because my income is above a certain level and I don't mind paying. I can deduct it from my income taxes.
People who can not pay for medication are taken care of through the welfare system.

Anybody who says that the Canadian system is lousy does not know what he's talking about.
It's the best in the world.

I had knee surgery for free.

Just recently I spend time in the hospital (before Christmas), another heart attack.
Almost died.

They installed a pacemaker free of charge.
Travelled by ambulance 5 hours, free of charge.

Spend days in the hospital.
Several blood tests, lab visits, specialists visits, etc etc all included in the monthly fee of 150 dollars.

None of what you posted refutes the articles point....That healthcare consumes the majority of the budget, and that most of your taxes go to pay for healthcare.