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Old 05-17-2016, 06:47 PM
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Scorching article against Republicans who support Trump.

"""Time and time again, Trump's supporters in and out of his cult ultimately conclude that any sin committed by Donald Trump is okay because he is not Hillary Clinton. It cannot be that they are both unfit for office. Trump, in every case, is more fit for office because Trump is not Clinton. Never mind the bankruptcies, never mind the endorsement of war crimes, never mind the advocacy of torture, never mind the swindling, never mind the affairs and women and corruption and mob ties and nepotism and repeated failures and the list goes on and on. Trump is not Clinton."""

This next part is important, because it shows what a fraud Trump is. He's not a conservative. He's never been a conservative. He never will be a conservative.

"""Then there are the issues. Both Trump and Clinton support a government run, Canadian style universal healthcare system. Both Trump and Clinton support increases in the minimum wage. Both Trump and Clinton support transgender bathrooms. Both Trump and Clinton have advocated increasing taxes on the wealthy. Both Trump and Clinton believe Planned Parenthood does wonderful things. Both Trump and Clinton have denounced free trade and demanded "fair trade." Both Trump and Clinton believe Washington needs to be stronger. Both Trump and Clinton believe deals must be cut. On issue after issue, Trump and Clinton have aligned at present or in the past with Trump even praising Clinton's work as Secretary of State and supporting her for the Presidency in 2008 on the same platform for which she is again championing.

But Trump is not Clinton so Republicans will embrace Clinton's policies under Trump's banner because, again, Trump is not Clinton."""

"""Former Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal took to the pages of the Wall Street Journal and went on television to tell America how absolutely unfit for office Trump is, but that everyone should support Trump because he is not Hillary Clinton."""

"""Just four years ago, Reince Preibus rallied Republicans to surrender the Missouri Senate seat to the Democrats..because of Republican Todd Akin's muddled answer on abortions..from rape. Now he demands we unite behind Donald Trump because Donald Trump is not Hillary Clinton."""

"""On any given day, some Republican defends Donald Trump's absurdity because Donald Trump is not Hillary Clinton. That is the ultimate defense of Trump. If you don't vote for Trump, you are supporting Hillary Clinton. We must stop Hillary Clinton. Any criticism of Trump benefits Clinton, therefore we must not criticize the precious Donald Trump."""

"""Too few Republicans will come out of this with their integrity intact and too many Republicans, thinking they can change Donald Trump, will instead one day find that Trump has changed them instead. But hey, at least he is no Hillary Clinton."""

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Old 05-17-2016, 11:27 PM
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Re: At Least Trump Isn't Clinton...

He is not Clinton is good enough for many of us.

anyone who is not Clinton is fine with us.
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Old 05-17-2016, 11:56 PM
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He is not Clinton is good enough for many of us.

anyone who is not Clinton is fine with us.
Hitler wasn't Clinton. He probably would have been good enough for you as well.
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Old 05-18-2016, 05:07 AM
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Re: At Least Trump Isn't Clinton...

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Hitler wasn't Clinton. He probably would have been good enough for you as well.
I knew this is where this was going.
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Old 05-18-2016, 05:24 AM
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Re: At Least Trump Isn't Clinton...

Q: in 2000, you wrote that you're a liberal on health care, and you supported a Canadian-style system, where the government acts as an insurer. Is that what you still believe?
A: You know, I looked at that. I looked at it very seriously. Some people don't agree with me on this: I want everyone to have coverage. I love the free market, but we never had a free market. Even before ObamaCare, it wasn't really free market. As an example, in New York, when I wanted to bid out my health insurance, we had boundaries. I could only go in New York. If I wanted to bid it out to a company from California or New Jersey, anywhere--you get no bids.

Q: But the single payer, you're not interested anymore?

A: No. No, these are different times. And over the years, you are going to change your attitudes. You're going to learn things and you're going to change. And I have evolved on that issue. I have evolved on numerous issues.


My prediction is that after Obamacare is gone, Trump will go back to the status quo of Medicaid for the poor, and an expanded free market approach for everyone else.

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Old 05-18-2016, 07:28 AM
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Q: in 2000, you wrote that you're a liberal on health care, and you supported a Canadian-style system, where the government acts as an insurer. Is that what you still believe?
A: You know, I looked at that. I looked at it very seriously. Some people don't agree with me on this: I want everyone to have coverage. I love the free market, but we never had a free market. Even before ObamaCare, it wasn't really free market. As an example, in New York, when I wanted to bid out my health insurance, we had boundaries. I could only go in New York. If I wanted to bid it out to a company from California or New Jersey, anywhere--you get no bids.

Q: But the single payer, you're not interested anymore?

A: No. No, these are different times. And over the years, you are going to change your attitudes. You're going to learn things and you're going to change. And I have evolved on that issue. I have evolved on numerous issues.

My prediction is that after Obamacare is gone, Trump will go back to the status quo of Medicaid for the poor, and an expanded free market approach for everyone else.
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Old 05-18-2016, 09:29 AM
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Trump's 60 Minutes Interview from September of last year, pushing single payer healthcare:

"""Donald Trump: Obamacare's going to be repealed and replaced. Obamacare is a disaster if you look at what's going on with premiums where they're up 40, 50, 55 percent.

Scott Pelley: How do you fix it?

Donald Trump: There's many different ways, by the way. Everybody's got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, "No, no, the lower 25 percent that can't afford private. But-"

Scott Pelley: Universal health care.

Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now.

Scott Pelley: The uninsured person is going to be taken care of. How? How?

Donald Trump: They're going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably-

Scott Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?

Donald Trump: --the government's gonna pay for it. But we're going to save so much money on the other side. But for the most it's going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything."""

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...se-on-wealthy/

From a Town Hall in February, with CNN's Anderson Cooper:

"""Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper he likes the mandate established by President Barack Obama's Affordable Care Act that everyone must have insurance or pay a fine.

Cooper asked Trump during a town hall forum on Thursday night "If Obamacare is repealed and there's no mandate for everybody to have insurance, what's to -- why would [an] insurance company ... insure somebody who has a pre-existing condition?"

Trump responded, "Well, I like the mandate. OK. So here's where I'm a little bit different. I don't want people dying on the streets, and I say this all the time."""

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/19/tr...mandate-video/

Later, Trump tweeted one of his hundred clarifications he's had to do during the campaign:

"""I was asked about healthcare by Anderson Cooper & have been consistent- I will repeal all of. #ObamaCare, including the mandate, period."""
1:28 PM - 19 Feb 2016

Two weeks later, CNN reports on Trump's website release of his healthcare plan:

"""Trump also called in his health care plan for eliminating the individual mandate, which under Obamacare requires all Americans to have health insurance and which Trump suggested he was in favor of less than two weeks ago.

"I like the mandate. Here's where I'm a little bit different. I don't want people dying in the streets," Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper on February 20 during a televised town hall event.

Trump has taken fire from his fellow Republicans for suggesting that "everybody's got to be covered" and that "the government's gonna pay for it" as he said in a September interview with CBS' "60 Minutes" -- a proclamation his rivals have tried to use against Trump to suggest he is in favor of government-run health care.

Trump's plan Wednesday, though, makes no mention of Trump's calls for every American to be insured, even if the government has to pick up the tab."""

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/02/politi...lth-care-plan/

Trump flip flops back and forth, from demanding single payer in his book (which I hear was a best seller. A great book. The best book next to the Bible.) to now claiming he wants to repeal the mandate and is not for single payer. I think on most of his issues he just flips a coin and whatever it lands on, he goes with that until criticism causes him to "clarify" what he actually means.

Trump is the most inconsistent and indecisive candidate for POTUS I've seen. Don't like his policy? Give him a week or so, it will likely change.
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Old 05-18-2016, 12:09 PM
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I knew this is where this was going.
Hitler was just "reckless," so no worries. Besides, "some things we've been taught seems [sic] questionable." And "perhaps there is more to the story."
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Old 05-18-2016, 04:12 PM
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Re: At Least Trump Isn't Clinton...

who cares if the Tramp flip flops.

Hellary is consistent in her desire to destroy America.
She is consistent in being Pro-abortion.
She is consistent in being anti-America.

No sir, no flip flopping for Killary, she is consistent in wanting to destroy this country.
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Old 05-18-2016, 04:30 PM
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Re: At Least Trump Isn't Clinton...

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Hitler was just "reckless," so no worries. Besides, "some things we've been taught seems [sic] questionable." And "perhaps there is more to the story."
And that is a problem why? It does not mean he was not a monster. But even monsters can be spun with an ulterior motive.

But either way, bringing Hitler into the Trump debate is stupid.
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