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06-06-2014, 10:17 PM
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Court FORCES Baker to make wedding cakes for GAYS
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/us/...gs-5516802.php
Panel: Baker must make cakes for gay weddings
In this March 10, 2014 file photo, Masterpiece Cakeshop owner Jack Phillips decorates a cake inside his store, in Lakewood, Colo. Colorado's Civil Rights Commission on Friday upheld a judge's ruling that Phillips cannot refuse to make wedding cakes for same-sex couples, despite Phillips' cited religious opposition to same sex marriage. The panel says doing so violates state laws prohibiting businesses from discriminating against gay people.
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06-06-2014, 11:25 PM
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Re: Court FORCES Baker to make wedding cakes for G
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Originally Posted by oneinkhorn
In this March 10, 2014 file photo, Masterpiece Cakeshop owner Jack Phillips decorates a cake inside his store, in Lakewood, Colo. Colorado's Civil Rights Commission on Friday upheld a judge's ruling that Phillips cannot refuse to make wedding cakes for same-sex couples, despite Phillips' cited religious opposition to same sex marriage. The panel says doing so violates state laws prohibiting businesses from discriminating against gay people.
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He quit making cakes for anybody.
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06-07-2014, 12:47 AM
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Re: Court FORCES Baker to make wedding cakes for G
Much sooner than I ever thought possible the church in the USA will be facing the prospect that teaching what the Bible teaches will be considered "hate speech".
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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06-07-2014, 06:50 AM
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Re: Court FORCES Baker to make wedding cakes for G
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Much sooner than I ever thought possible the church in the USA will be facing the prospect that teaching what the Bible teaches will be considered "hate speech".
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During a message given at Easter (IN CHURCH), Phil Robertson read 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
Consequently, the Media Headlines declared: "New anti-gay remarks by 'Duck Dynasty' star emerge".
http://www.concordmonitor.com/home/1...ty-star-emerge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhnxDSOxfss
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06-07-2014, 09:10 AM
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Re: Court FORCES Baker to make wedding cakes for G
The solution to Colorado's ruling is simple. It is to quit making cakes except by special order for those you want to.
Christians must understand that we are not living in our daddy's generation. We are going through a process in this country and must adapt to make it through.
I am not talking about compromise but about learning to adapt the way we do business to make it through the legal landmines that we are facing.
There are many ways to address this particular issue and one way is to discreetly shut the business down and continue to service the customer base on another level.
They made a mistake by making this a gay/straight issue. If they did not want to fix it then they should have come up with another reason that could not be sued over.
We are going to start seeing churches face the same issue, especially if they have been vocal on this issue in the past. If they have considerable assets then they will be targets for lawsuits. This is going to be big money for attorneys.
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06-07-2014, 01:27 PM
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Re: Court FORCES Baker to make wedding cakes for G
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Originally Posted by Monterrey
The solution to Colorado's ruling is simple. It is to quit making cakes except by special order for those you want to.
Christians must understand that we are not living in our daddy's generation. We are going through a process in this country and must adapt to make it through.
I am not talking about compromise but about learning to adapt the way we do business to make it through the legal landmines that we are facing.
There are many ways to address this particular issue and one way is to discreetly shut the business down and continue to service the customer base on another level.
They made a mistake by making this a gay/straight issue. If they did not want to fix it then they should have come up with another reason that could not be sued over.
We are going to start seeing churches face the same issue, especially if they have been vocal on this issue in the past. If they have considerable assets then they will be targets for lawsuits. This is going to be big money for attorneys.
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What makes you think making the cakes "by special order" would work? What is the difference? Based on the logic used in the case if they are making cakes for sale for anybody they have to make them for everybody.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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06-07-2014, 08:23 PM
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Re: Court FORCES Baker to make wedding cakes for G
Deciding to not offer your services to someone simply because they practice a certain sin is hypocritical if you're not going to reject all sinners as potential customers.
We live in a pluralistic, even heathen society.
For the courts to rule any other way then they did would be to open the door to people being denied services for all sorts of "reasons of conscience".
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06-07-2014, 08:33 PM
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Re: Court FORCES Baker to make wedding cakes for G
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
Deciding to not offer your services to someone simply because they practice a certain sin is hypocritical if you're not going to reject all sinners as potential customers.
We live in a pluralistic, even heathen society.
For the courts to rule any other way then they did would be to open the door to people being denied services for all sorts of "reasons of conscience".
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Uh, we are talking about events that openly celebrate certain sins. I don't know of there being people throwing celebrations for lying, stealing, etc. A gay wedding is a celebration of an ungodly lifestyle. Should a Christian caterer be forced to cater an orgy being put on by a heterosexual swingers club?
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06-07-2014, 09:01 PM
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Re: Court FORCES Baker to make wedding cakes for G
Can he just make cakes for certain select ministers weddings who just so happen to refuse to marry gays?
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06-07-2014, 09:50 PM
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Re: Court FORCES Baker to make wedding cakes for G
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Originally Posted by Originalist
Uh, we are talking about events that openly celebrate certain sins. I don't know of there being people throwing celebrations for lying, stealing, etc. A gay wedding is a celebration of an ungodly lifestyle. Should a Christian caterer be forced to cater an orgy being put on by a heterosexual swingers club?
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Wouldn't a caterer have to be present at the event they cater?
The baker wouldn't have to be present at the orgy.
Like I said, in a pluralistic society, denying services for "reasons of conscience" is a slippery slope.
We do not live in a Christian theocratic society.
The Christian business owner needs to be able to provide their services for the Christian and the heathen alike. If serving heathen violates your conscience and serving is your business, you need to find another way to make money.
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