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Old 06-06-2007, 04:59 PM
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Gog and Magog connection

Today while studying Rev.20 I noticed in verse 8 (which I had not really
thought any deeper of before) that the words used to describe the number
of those to battle as the Sand of the Sea.That very much reminded me of
Gods promise to Abraham.Has anyone else anything to add to my bible study?
It would be a blessing.
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Old 06-06-2007, 06:44 PM
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Today while studying Rev.20 I noticed in verse 8 (which I had not really
thought any deeper of before) that the words used to describe the number
of those to battle as the Sand of the Sea.That very much reminded me of
Gods promise to Abraham.Has anyone else anything to add to my bible study?
It would be a blessing.
Just this thought, but since we know prophetically that picture included the nations (gentiles) and not just Jews, that the this unspecified number must include the nations or all of them
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Old 06-06-2007, 09:46 PM
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Actually Prax I was thinking along these lines:



Rom 9:6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:


Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.


Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


Rom 9:9 For this [is] the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.


Rom 9:10 And not only [this]; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, [even] by our father Isaac;


Rom 9:11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth


Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.


Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.


Rom 9:14 ¶ What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.


Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.


Rom 9:16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.


Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.


Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth.


Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?


Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?


Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?


Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:


Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,


Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?


Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.


Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.


Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:


Rom 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut [it] short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.


Rom 9:29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.


Rom 9:30 ¶ What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.


Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.


Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because [they sought it] not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;


Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
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Today while studying Rev.20 I noticed in verse 8 (which I had not really
thought any deeper of before) that the words used to describe the number
of those to battle as the Sand of the Sea.That very much reminded me of
Gods promise to Abraham.Has anyone else anything to add to my bible study?
It would be a blessing.
Interesting connection! THAT is how you study Revelation, T. Not from the National Enquirer or other newspapers. lol
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Old 06-06-2007, 11:25 PM
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Brother Blume what is your take on it.I have always known that biblically we
are the children of Abraham by faith.Its remarkable to see that same promise
in Revelation.When you tie it back it takes you even back to the Seed promise
which goes all the way back to Eden.
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Brother Blume what is your take on it.I have always known that biblically we
are the children of Abraham by faith.Its remarkable to see that same promise
in Revelation.When you tie it back it takes you even back to the Seed promise
which goes all the way back to Eden.
I have not studied that speicifc thought out before. Never thought of it, til you raised it. But the manner of referencing all the elements in Revelaiton with the Old Testament is THE CORRECT way to interpret it, in my opinion.

But we do read of various references aside from Abraham's seed that number as the sand.

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Jdg 7:12 KJV And the Midianites and the Amalekites and all the children of the east lay along in the valley like grasshoppers for multitude; and their camels were without number, as the sand by the sea side for multitude.

1Sa 13:5 KJV And the Philistines gathered themselves together to fight with Israel, thirty thousand chariots, and six thousand horsemen, and people as the sand which is on the sea shore in multitude: and they came up, and pitched in Michmash, eastward from Bethaven.
Keep studying and share what you come up with.
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Brother Blume I read the entire bible account of Magog and it seems like sometimes God is referring to the person and then the nation where he resides and then also to the other two of his relatives.I know in the Word that God is extremely angry with them in Ezekiels account.It speaks of them all being slain
and taking seven months to bury them even to the point of hiring strangers to
bury them.Then it goes on to say that even their bones if any were left were to be
marked and buried.Wow that is angry.I would much rather suffer the wrath of man than the wrath of God.Anyway a little bit later there is one small reference to the city being destroyed some fourteen years later.I did not see alot of other biblical references to it though so I am going to search some historical reference books.
Thanks for reading and adding good thoughts.
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Here is another definition I found:
Magog was one of the seven sons of Japheth mentioned in the Book of Genesis of the Hebrew Bible. It literally means "From-Gog" in Hebrew.

Magog is often associated with apocalyptic traditions: see Gog and Magog for details.

Josephus identified the offspring of Magog as the Scythians, a name used in antiquity for peoples north of the Black Sea. Greeks called Scythia, Magogia[citation needed]. It has also been variously conjectured that Magog's offspring were the progenitors of the Slavic peoples known to history.

According to some Irish traditions, such as the Irish Chronicles, the Irish race are a composite including descendants of Magog. Baath (Boath), Jobhath, and Fathochta are the three sons of Magog. Partholón, Nemed, and Iobath are Magog's descendants. Magog was supposed to have had a grandchild called Heber, who spread throughout the Mediterranean.

There is also a Hungarian legend that says the Magyars are descended from twin brothers named Hunor and Magor who lived by the sea of Azov in the years after the flood and took wives from the Alans. According to the version of this legend in the mediaeval Chronicon Pictum, this Magor is Magog, son of Japheth.
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Brother Blume I read the entire bible account of Magog and it seems like sometimes God is referring to the person and then the nation where he resides and then also to the other two of his relatives.I know in the Word that God is extremely angry with them in Ezekiels account.It speaks of them all being slain
and taking seven months to bury them even to the point of hiring strangers to
bury them.Then it goes on to say that even their bones if any were left were to be
marked and buried.Wow that is angry.I would much rather suffer the wrath of man than the wrath of God.Anyway a little bit later there is one small reference to the city being destroyed some fourteen years later.I did not see alot of other biblical references to it though so I am going to search some historical reference books.
Thanks for reading and adding good thoughts.
Gog and Magog are indeed considered a king (Gog) and His domain (Magog) in many accounts.
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Boy did he make God mad.Whew! I stayed up until the early morning hours studying it.I have read accounts of what God was going to do to someone before
but this is the mother of all curses.
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