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Old 10-26-2013, 03:50 PM
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Vermont Goes Single Payer!!!!

Americans of the world UNITE!!!!!!! BWAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4166221.html
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Old 10-26-2013, 03:57 PM
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Re: Vermont Goes Single Payer!!!!

That's fine if a State wants to. But it should not be forced on all the States. Single payer failed in California.

Let me add that there is a significant secession movement in Vermont and I wish them success in their efforts.

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Old 10-26-2013, 04:07 PM
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Re: Vermont Goes Single Payer!!!!

Everything fails on Ca because the Democrats are owned by the pockets of Public Unions. They just raised taxes to provide more money to schools and yet the schools are still all poor because the money all goes into the pockets of the teachers salaries

Brown is the worst Gov ever and is going to bankrupt us.

Single Payer can't work because someone has to pay for it. Businesses leave Ca for greener pastures because of the high cost of doing business, again courtesy of the Democrats
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Re: Vermont Goes Single Payer!!!!

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Everything fails on Ca because the Democrats are owned by the pockets of Public Unions. They just raised taxes to provide more money to schools and yet the schools are still all poor because the money all goes into the pockets of the teachers salaries

Brown is the worst Gov ever and is going to bankrupt us.

Single Payer can't work because someone has to pay for it. Businesses leave Ca for greener pastures because of the high cost of doing business, again courtesy of the Democrats
this article from "economist" magazine paints a different picture than your doom and gloom

http://www.economist.com/news/united...edemption-song
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Re: Vermont Goes Single Payer!!!!

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this article from "economist" magazine paints a different picture than your doom and gloom

http://www.economist.com/news/united...edemption-song
Whoever wrote that does not live here.

Taxes are HIGH and not just for the rich.

Gas prices are HIGH and not just for the rich.

Cities are going bankrupt.

Crime is on the rise.

Hard core criminals are being let out early

Schools are in disrepair

Brown wants to build a high speed rail from Sacramento to LA that nobody will ride costing tax payers billions of dollars in the future
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Old 10-26-2013, 06:09 PM
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BTW, did you actually read the entire article or just the title?

Yet several questions hang over California’s finances. First are the state’s “hidden” obligations. During the lean years, accounting tricks and the shuffling of revenues from one fund to another created a “wall of debt” worth around $35 billion. Mr Brown says this will fall to $4.7 billion within four years. The state also owes the federal government over $10 billion for unemployment-insurance payments. And, like other states, California faces obligations to retired state workers that are not even close to being fully funded. The teachers’ pension fund, for example, wants $4.5 billion more a year. This would immediately swallow up this year’s surplus, and drain the budget for another three decades. But if politicians continue to ignore the problem, says Bill Lockyer, the state treasurer, the system will “implode”

A second difficulty arises from California’s dependence on income and capital-gains taxes, particularly from the wealthy. The richest 1% in the state pay 40% (and in some years, more) of income taxes, which in turn account for over 60% of general-fund revenues. This makes California highly vulnerable to swings in the business cycle. This problem has defeated previous administrations; Mr Brown understands it but shows no urge to tackle it. Last year’s income-tax rise, which lifted the top marginal rate to 13.3% (and expires in 2018), made it worse.
Third, and thorniest of all, is the set of problems arising from California’s distinctive approach to policymaking. Over the years voters have passed an array of laws on taxation and spending (usually lowering the former while raising the latter). Emily Raimes, an analyst at Moody’s, says the resulting budgetary inflexibility can take much of the blame for California’s low credit rating (only Illinois fares worse). For years budgets needed a two-thirds vote to pass the legislature, which guaranteed gridlock. That provision has now been removed, but tax rises still require a supermajority, which is why Mr Brown had to turn to the voters instead.
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Old 10-26-2013, 07:50 PM
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Re: Vermont Goes Single Payer!!!!

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Whoever wrote that does not live here.

Taxes are HIGH and not just for the rich.

Gas prices are HIGH and not just for the rich.

Cities are going bankrupt.

Crime is on the rise.

Hard core criminals are being let out early

Schools are in disrepair

Brown wants to build a high speed rail from Sacramento to LA that nobody will ride costing tax payers billions of dollars in the future
Wasn't he called Governor moonbeam back in the day????
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Re: Vermont Goes Single Payer!!!!

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That's fine if a State wants to. But it should not be forced on all the States. Single payer failed in California.

Let me add that there is a significant secession movement in Vermont and I wish them success in their efforts.
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Wasn't he called Governor moonbeam back in the day????
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Old 10-26-2013, 09:56 PM
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Re: Vermont Goes Single Payer!!!!

Isn't Bernie Sanders from Vermont? The only elected official who is an avowed socialist, even though we know there are many more.
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