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Old 10-15-2013, 11:27 AM
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From Darrell Issa moments ago

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Old 10-15-2013, 11:32 AM
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House Republican Leaders on Government Shutdown and Debt Ceiling
Oct 15, 2013

House Republican leaders spoke to reporters following a caucus meeting. Speaker Boehner said that leadership would continue to work with other members of Congress on an agreement to end the government shutdown and raises the debt ceiling that provides “fairness” to everyone.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/LeadersonGover

Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy, McMorris Rodgers speaking.
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Old 10-15-2013, 12:34 PM
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This is from yesterday, but I like what he is saying.

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Mr. Speaker:

The debt limit exists for a simple reason: to assure that public debt isn’t recklessly piled up without Congress periodically acknowledging it and addressing the spending patterns that are causing it. If a debt limit increase is supposed to be automatic, as the President suggests, there really is no purpose to it.

A new dimension has now appeared in this discussion. Unlike every one of his predecessors, this President has vowed that unless Congress unconditionally raises the debt limit, the United States will default on its sovereign debt.

But a failure to raise the debt limit would not by itself cause the nation to default.
The Government Accountability Office has consistently held that the Treasury Secretary has “the authority to choose the order in which to pay obligations of the United States” to protect the nation’s credit. Such authority is inherent in the 1789 act that established the Treasury Department and entrusted it with the “management of the revenue” and the “support of public credit.” The affirmative duty of the Treasury Department to do so is underscored by the 14th Amendment.

Our revenues are more than ten times our debt payments, so paying the debt first to prevent a sovereign default is well within the financial ability of the federal government – and indeed, it is a fiscal imperative.

Earlier this year, the House passed HR 807, which not only explicitly requires the payment of the national debt in the case of an impasse over the debt limit, but even allows the President to exceed the debt limit itself in order to protect the nation’s credit.

That measure languishes in the Senate under the threat of a Presidential veto.

Protecting the sovereign credit by prioritizing payments would mean delaying paying other bills – which is untenable, unthinkable and something much to be avoided. But it would not imperil the nation’s sovereign credit. Only the President can do that.

The House leadership met with the President last week and offered to extend the debt limit until November 22nd with no strings attached. The President refused. Senate Republicans offered a six month extension, but the Senate Democratic leader refused.

What the President threatens to do would be catastrophic and unprecedented. The full faith and credit of the United States is what gives markets the confidence to loan money to the federal government. Even a credible threat of default – exactly the kind the President is now making — could have dire consequences to a nation that now owes more than its entire economy produces in a year.

So where do we go from here?

Republicans have miscalculated on two key assumptions: First, that the Democrats would negotiate the issues that divide the country; they have not. Second, that Democrats would seek to minimize the suffering caused by the impasse; they have not.

Given the ruthless and vindictive way the shutdown has been handled, I now believe that this President would willfully act to destroy the full faith and credit of the United States unless the Congress acquiesces to all of his demands, at least as long as he sees political advantage in doing so. His every statement and action is consistent with this conclusion.

If the Republicans acquiesce, the immediate crisis will quickly vanish, credit markets will calm and public life will return to other matters.

But a fundamental element of our Constitution will have been destroyed. The power of the purse will have shifted from the representatives of the people to the executive. The executive bureaucracies will be freed to churn out ever more outlandish regulations with no effective Congressional review or check through the purse. A perilous era will have begun, in which the President sets spending levels and vetoes any bill falling short of his demands. Whenever a deadline approaches, one house can simply refuse to negotiate with the other until Congress is faced with the Hobson’s choice of a shut-down or a default.


The nation’s spending will again dangerously accelerate, the deficit will again rapidly widen, and the economic prosperity of the nation will continue to slowly bleed away.

This impasse may have started as a dispute over a collapsing health program but it has now taken on the dimensions of a Constitutional crisis.

Yesterday in Washington, a group of America’s veterans rose up to take a stand against these constitutional usurpations. I believe the salvation of our nation now depends on the American people joining them.
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It is being reported that the House GOP is heading to Rules Committee soon with a bill to open government, raising the debt ceiling.
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New House GOP proposal removes the device tax repeal and income verification; funds the government through Dec. 15.
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Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee on Tuesday offered up some words of advice to fans of Sen. Ted Cruz who haven’t liked his criticism of the Texas Republican’s tactics: “Get over it.”
You get over it you big Goober.
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New House GOP proposal removes the device tax repeal and income verification; funds the government through Dec. 15.
So basically the House leadership caved. They gave the Democrats everything they wanted and in return received nothing.

Of course, I shouldn't be surprised, since Boehner's in charge there.

Will it pass the House?
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So basically the House leadership caved. They gave the Democrats everything they wanted and in return received nothing.

Of course, I shouldn't be surprised, since Boehner's in charge there.

Will it pass the House?
I am waiting to get all the details. Phil Graham was on Sunday morning shows talking about how we could never defund Obamacare. Sen. Ted Cruz wanted to highlight ALL of the problems associated with this failed law and wanted to push it back a year which would cripple the implementation - without the mandates, it would have fallen. The Democrats are scared to death as it would kill a lot of progress for their Party, especially in 2016. They can't let this die and are hanging on with every inch of their life. Of course, you already know all of that.

If delay isn't part of the deal, the GOP Establishment wants the healthcare law to succeed. And I think we got the feeling that was what Paul Ryan really wanted even though denying it.

Anyway, I think after the markets close this evening we will see some definite action.
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Greta VanSusteren reports on an email she received. So, true, once a tax is raised, no one is going to lower the cost.

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I teach tax law to CPAs all over the country, including a full day course on Obamacare. It is too late to do any good repealing the 2.3% medical device tax. If you would investigate manufacturers and importers, you will find they have already raised their prices more than 2.3% and are making a profit on the tax as it is passed through to the end user. It is unlikely they will reduce their prices if the law is repealed.
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I am waiting to get all the details. Phil Graham was on Sunday morning shows talking about how we could never defund Obamacare. Sen. Ted Cruz wanted to highlight ALL of the problems associated with this failed law and wanted to push it back a year which would cripple the implementation - without the mandates, it would have fallen. The Democrats are scared to death as it would kill a lot of progress for their Party, especially in 2016. They can't let this die and are hanging on with every inch of their life. Of course, you already know all of that.
Not only would the delay of the mandates cripple the law, IMO if the Republicans would have succeeded in killing the medical device tax, it would have crippled the funding of bummercare as well.

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If delay isn't part of the deal, the GOP Establishment wants the healthcare law to succeed. And I think we got the feeling that was what Paul Ryan really wanted even though denying it.
Why would they want Obamacare to succeed now, when they're on the record being completely against it? That doesn't make a lick of sense.

What, are they going to come out in 2014 and say, "It was our idea first," and embrace the GOP's role in crafting bummercare as the Democrats have been claiming for a long time.
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