Your TV Response

[Kutless]

How will you react if the vote passes/does not pass



1. Conformity - one excepts the state of affairs and strives for success within the restricted environment.


2. Innovation - maintain commitment to success goals but take advantage of illegitimate means to attain them.


3. Rebellion - reject the system altogether, replace it with a new one.


4. Retreatism - escapists response, societal dropout, give up on both goals and the efforts to acheive them.


5. Ritualism - give up the struggle to get ahead and concentrate on retaining what little has been gained by adhering rigidly and zealous to the norms.


....I will be #3 . My friend is a criminology major and sent me this list. Fire away!

Bro Kutless....

They system has morphed from the ministerial fellowships order of priorities. When it was first formed each body of believers was autonomous, in that the local church would have the say totally in their structure, standards of Holiness and government.

The last several decades has shifted the autonomous view in that the floor has the right to dictatet what is preached. (on paper it hasn't, but within the fellowship if you don't change your message to conform to the vote you are in rebellion,)

Now one who refuses to change his or her preaching to conform to the edict of St. Louis or the governing body of ministers is considered a pariah and no longer is eligable for office or open fellowship or is asked to preach any sectionl or district meetings. (an unofficial analogy at best, coming from the world I'm in anyway.)

I don't know what I will do yet.....but, I get very little local fellowship because near me are agressive ultra's and agressive progressives, and I need my brethren. I have been already marked as anti-television, It goes back to my evangelism days. and We've filled up a few churches in the area with people who refused to get rid of their TV's.

So I think I'll be forced out by the circumstances around us...Don't know yet.

[Thad]

I really don't see how this is going to effect us on an individual or local basis.

if the church down the road advertises on TV how will that effect my life ??
is that worthy of a massive split in the body ?

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by Thad

I really don't see how this is going to effect us on an individual or local basis.

if the church down the road advertises on TV how will that effect my life ??
is that worthy of a massive split in the body ?

I don't think so Bro Thad. I do think it will effect you an I though. Sin=mply becaus eI think there will be loss.

[Consapostolic1]

I'm not upc, but I have an question about it. Does the UPCI allow it members to have televisions in their homes? I know and understand that upc churches have their own local standards, but is their a set general standard against having televisions. I ask this because it seems to me that almost all the upc churches in this area allow their members to have tv's in their homes. Someone please respond to this.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by Consapostolic1

I'm not upc, but I have an question about it. Does the UPCI allow it members to have televisions in their homes? I know and understand that upc churches have their own local standards, but is their a set general standard against having televisions. I ask this because it seems to me that almost all the upc churches in this area allow their members to have tv's in their homes. Someone please respond to this.

I think its OK as long as you have a good place to hide it.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Kutless

I think its OK as long as you have a good place to hide it.

Originally Posted by Consapostolic1

I'm not upc, but I have an question about it. Does the UPCI allow it members to have televisions in their homes? I know and understand that upc churches have their own local standards, but is their a set general standard against having televisions. I ask this because it seems to me that almost all the upc churches in this area allow their members to have tv's in their homes. Someone please respond to this.

Here is the exact wording:

31. No minister having a television in his or her home, shall be permitted to hold license or credentials with the United Pentecostal Church International. Furthermore, no United Pentecostal Church International minister shall be permitted to advertise or minister on television. This does not preclude unsolicited representatives of the news media covering functions.

32. The use of video must strictly be limited to those areas in which motion picture cameras and projectors are traditionally permitted to be used: namely, in taking of pictures of families, friends, and church activities and the viewing of educational, religious, and inspirational films that are consistent with wholesome Christian principles. Furthermore, we strongly oppose the viewing of all worldly motion pictures and video films that are shown commercially in theaters and on television for entertainment purposes. All video receivers must be altered so that they are not able to receive television channels.

[StillStanding]

My response to the TV vote will be, "There she blows!!!!"

Then I'll go back to selling pianos.

[chaotic_resolve]

I'm beating a dead horse here . . . but I'm gonna beat it again anyway . . .

There shouldn't be a debate on this.

There shouldn't be a vote on this.

This is not something the collective body of UPCI Ministers should get involved with.

The choice to advertise or be on television should be left to the local churches, not the collective body of ministers.

This is against the UPCI Manual itself which allows for autonomous local churches and which states in Article I of the Constitution that we shall use "any means necessary" to promote the whole Gospel to the whole world.

The UPCI was founded to be a fellowship of believers - not a government-type organization as its become.

Furthermore, in keeping with the founders of the UPCI, the Affirmation Statement (aka AS) should be amended to state:

"I (Minister's name), do hereby declare that I believe and embrace the Fundamental Doctrine as stated in the Articles of Faith as set forth in the Manual of the United Pentecostal Church International. I also believe and embrace the Biblical concept of separation from the world and living a Godly lifestyle. I pledge to practice, preach, and teach the same."

I'm gonna get hammered for this, but remove the sentence on holiness completely and leave it to local Pastors and districts to set standards. Most dress "holiness" standards aren't Biblical anyways. So take it out.