More Stoneking Nonsense

[mental]

Watch in amazement as Stoneking translates 1 Cor. 11:10 on the fly at 32 minutes and 15 seconds. “The woman owes her authority through/ by/with Angels”. Again Stoneking shows that he has no idea what he is talking about.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/43106..._medium=social

The Greek word translated as “because of” is δία. This is a preposition and any 1st year Greek student (as early as chapter 8 in Mounce’s grammar) knows prepositions in Greek change their meaning depending on the object of the preposition. Mounce says “the preposition δία means “through” if its object is in the genitive, but “on account of” if its object is in the accusative”. In 1 Cor. 11:10, “the angels” is in the accusative. This means it’s “on account of” or “because of” the angels just like all English bibles translate it. It's not “through/by/with” the angels as Stoneking claims. Here is another example of why you can’t just pick and choose definitions out of your Strong’s concordance to support your pet theology.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mental

Watch in amazement as Stoneking translates 1 Cor. 11:10 on the fly at 32 minutes and 15 seconds. “The woman owes her authority through/ by/with Angels”. Again Stoneking shows that he has no idea what he is talking about.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/43106..._medium=social

The Greek word translated as “because of” is δία. This is a preposition and any 1st year Greek student (as early as chapter 8 in Mounce’s grammar) knows prepositions in Greek change their meaning depending on the object of the preposition. Mounce says “the preposition δία means “through” if its object is in the genitive, but “on account of” if its object is in the accusative”. In 1 Cor. 11:10, “the angels” is in the accusative. This means it’s “on account of” or “because of” the angels just like all English bibles translate it. It's not “through/by/with” the angels as Stoneking claims. Here is another example of why you can’t just pick and choose definitions out of your Strong’s concordance to support your pet theology.

Yup. Not only that the text does not say "she owes HER authority" and if it did, to angels, WOW! Imagine that! All this time they told us we own our authority (any power or authority we have) to Jesus. To him personally and what He did on the cross.

Now they come along and tell us that is untrue. Now what I want to know is, when and where does LS or any of these other guys talk about men and their authority? Oh wait! I recall them saying if a woman has uncut hair her family is covered...meaning man has no authority so he needs a woman with uncut hair or other wise he is up the creek without a paddle. Thanks for effeminizing the church LS and others

[Michael The Disciple]

All this bashing "magic hair doctrine" is missing the mark. Its the entire interpretation of the head covering that is wrong. Oneness Pentecostals should be done with the false doctrine thats its a sin for a woman to trim her hair.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

All this bashing "magic hair doctrine" is missing the mark. Its the entire interpretation of the head covering that is wrong. Oneness Pentecostals should be done with the false doctrine thats its a sin for a woman to trim her hair.

I'm sti;; waiting for someone to show it's a sin.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I'm sti;; waiting for someone to show it's a sin.

Yet almost the whole movement is enslaved to the idea.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I'm sti;; waiting for someone to show it's a sin.

Not sure you can call it "SIN" off the cuff. I can say that it is wrong and the teaching of it wrong. Having said that I don't think LS would teach anything he doesn't believe in. I don't think that he is purposely using this as a tool of control. I do think that it is potentially damaging to the Pentecostal movement.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by mental

Watch in amazement as Stoneking translates 1 Cor. 11:10 on the fly at 32 minutes and 15 seconds. “The woman owes her authority through/ by/with Angels”. Again Stoneking shows that he has no idea what he is talking about.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/43106..._medium=social

The Greek word translated as “because of” is δία. This is a preposition and any 1st year Greek student (as early as chapter 8 in Mounce’s grammar) knows prepositions in Greek change their meaning depending on the object of the preposition. Mounce says “the preposition δία means “through” if its object is in the genitive, but “on account of” if its object is in the accusative”. In 1 Cor. 11:10, “the angels” is in the accusative. This means it’s “on account of” or “because of” the angels just like all English bibles translate it. It's not “through/by/with” the angels as Stoneking claims. Here is another example of why you can’t just pick and choose definitions out of your Strong’s concordance to support your pet theology.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yup. Not only that the text does not say "she owes HER authority" and if it did, to angels, WOW! Imagine that! All this time they told us we own our authority (any power or authority we have) to Jesus. To him personally and what He did on the cross.

Now they come along and tell us that is untrue. Now what I want to know is, when and where does LS or any of these other guys talk about men and their authority? Oh wait! I recall them saying if a woman has uncut hair her family is covered...meaning man has no authority so he needs a woman with uncut hair or other wise he is up the creek without a paddle. Thanks for effeminizing the church LS and others

So this is fairly common kowledge of AFF amongst basically lay people, but these head honchos are [willingly?] ignorant of it?

[crakjak]

By the same logic men should not shave their beards. It saddens me greatly to hear a man that is so articulate preach such blatant false doctrine. It is a message of fear, fear that you will not be protected if your wife doesn't hold to this doctrine. The fact is that this doctrine does not stand test of reality, families that hold to this doctrine have the same kind of trouble and issues that those that do not hold to it have.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by crakjak

By the same logic men should not shave their beards. It saddens me greatly to hear a man that is so articulate preach such blatant false doctrine. It is a message of fear, fear that you will not be protected if your wife doesn't hold to the is doctrine. The fact is that this doctrine does not standard test of reality, families that hold to this doctrine have the same kind of trouble and issues that those that do not hold to it have.

Or worse, since they have a contrived view of a God who would punish them for cutting bubble gum out of their hair.

[Hoovie]

My wife does not cut her hair... I am fairly certain "fear" is not among the reasons.