Let's talk about Baptism.

UltraCon · #1 05-21-2010, 12:24 PM

Are people going to hell if they do not get baptized in the Name of Jesus?

Does it matter how your baptized?

Is baptism essential to salvation?

Timmy · #2 05-21-2010, 12:25 PM

mfblume · #3 05-21-2010, 12:31 PM

I preach baptism in Jesus' name and propose it is part of salvation. I believe it is what Romans 6 was speaking about.

But no one in the bible ever associated HELL with or without it, whether or not it saves from hell. I like how Priscilla and Aquila handled it.

Jermyn Davidson · #4 05-21-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by UltraCon

1) Are people going to hell if they do not get baptized in the Name of Jesus?

2) Does it matter how you're baptized?

3) Is baptism essential to salvation?

1) No-- this reason ALONE will not send a soul to hell.

2) Yes. I beleive immersion to be what the Bible demonstrates in most if not all instances of water baptism. Speaking the Name of Jesus during the baptism is VITAL for me-- as for anyone that I may have the privilege of baptizing one day.

3) If a person repents and while crossing the street to get to the baptismal they are run over by a speeding taxicab, I don't believe they would go to hell.

Every Christian should obey the Bible-- we are commanded to do so! To not get baptized is to sin.

If a person chooses not to be baptized after being taught the truth of the Biblical command, I don't count them as saved.

At the same time, a person is not saved because they were baptized the "right way". Neither are they saved because they were baptized at all.

UltraCon · #5 05-21-2010, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

1) No-- this reason ALONE will not send a soul to hell.

2) Yes. I beleive immersion to be what the Bible demonstrates in most if not all instances of water baptism. Speaking the Name of Jesus during the baptism is VITAL for me-- as for anyone that I may have the privilege of baptizing one day.

3) If a person repents and while crossing the street to get to the baptismal they are run over by a speeding taxicab, I don't believe they would go to hell.

Every Christian should obey the Bible-- we are commanded to do so! To not get baptized is to sin.

If a person chooses not to be baptized after being taught the truth of the Biblical command, I don't count them as saved.

At the same time, a person is not saved because they were baptized the "right way". Neither are they saved because they were baptized at all.

You contradict yourself

mrnbcox · #6 05-21-2010, 01:46 PM

Unless a man obeys acts 2:38 completely. He can not be saved.

It matters how your baptized, and it's essential to be Baptized in Jesus Name!

Apocrypha · #7 05-21-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by UltraCon

Are people going to hell if they do not get baptized in the Name of Jesus?

Does it matter how your baptized?

Is baptism essential to salvation?

Its easier to ask a question than give a answer, so I will ask you a question.

One of my IBC room mates was converted during the first Iraq war by one of our chaplains. They were in the middle of the deep desert with very strict water rationing, in fact fellow marines donated their water rations to help this event out. He was baptized with a helmet filled with water in the name of Jesus by a UPCI chaplain.

If he had caught a bullet the next day would have my friend been given full baptisimal regeneration or was he just getting wet in the middle of the desert?

Answer that and I will fully indulge you in this conversation till we get to page 100+.

NotforSale · #8 05-21-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by UltraCon

You contradict yourself

I agree. A yes or no answer is always predicated with a bunch of "What If's".

This is the exact threshold that causes many to question Religion, and, keeps those who are dogmatic about Faith and a particular belief at arms distance from those who know what they're talking about.

It's easy to corner the ignorant with a definitive answer, but the educated bring contrast into the picture, causing the Religious World to squirm by revealing greater facts through measurable arguments regarding the Bible, Culture, History, and Science.

Getting a solid answer concerning who is saved or lost is, well, basically not known. We simply do our best with what we know, but to be quite frank, none of us do know because none of us have been there. I have noticed, Apostolics years ago were much more precise in telling people, “UNLESS you do this or that, you won’t make it”. Today, we are seeing a dramatic shift away from such dogma, even by those who consider themselves Conservative.

Baptism is required by many, and not required by many others, and they both will argue the point as long as we are on this Planet building Religion. In the end, I think we are all in for a big surprise.

NotforSale · #9 05-21-2010, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnbcox

Unless a man obeys acts 2:38 completely. He can not be saved.

It matters how your baptized, and it's essential to be Baptized in Jesus Name!

So, is everyone who has not obeyed Acts 2:38 going to Hell?

Apocrypha · #10 05-21-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnbcox

Unless a man obeys acts 2:38 completely. He can not be saved.

It matters how your baptized, and it's essential to be Baptized in Jesus Name!

I obeyed Acts 2:38 completely as I was taught as a UPCI youth. Now I teach that you are saved by obedient faith, a obedient christian will naturally get baptized because Jesus commanded it, and every Christian should be filled with the power of the Holy Spirit to be empowered witness and do miracles (have you recieved since you BELIEVED? - Paul) and they will strive to live a sanctified life because the bible says its a persons lifestyle and their charity are the true long term evidences of being saved.

But I now take the PCI position that salvation comes at repentence/faith/obedience to the Word (step 1).

Am I going to hell even though I have been repented, baptized, have recieved the Holy Spirit, and now teach this exactly like our first General Superintendent of the UPCI Howard Goss did?

if you feel brave enuff, send me to hell, I get it every so often. Also don't forget the first General Superintendent of the UPCI... is he going to hell too for teaching false doctrine? If you can answer both without any weasel words like "God is your judge" or "I leave it up to the Lord", I will respect you more.