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Old 11-10-2009, 07:03 PM
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"No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor," Obama told the crowd on a steamy Texas afternoon. "And for what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice — in this world and the next."

One of the things that made O the perfect canidate was his ability to say exactly what everyone wanted to hear. How is it possible?

Consider the above quote taken off a news website just as I saw it. My first reaction was typical American agreement. But then I considered what other meanings one could attach to carefully crafted words.

1. "No faith justifies these muderous and craven acts;"

To Muslim ears---> Infidels (those with no faith) justifies these murderous and craven acts;

2. "No just and loving God looks upon them with favor."

To Muslim ears----> God doesn't look upon them/infidels with favor.

3. "And for what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice — in this world and the next."

----> Indeed! 70 virgins.

Admittedly, I haven't seen these words in context but found myself stunned by the potential double meaning in the headlines. Coincidence?

Btw- When was the last time you heard the President of the United States bring up life after death in a public speech about an evil person? Hmm....

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Old 11-10-2009, 07:15 PM
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Re: Double Meanings?

You may be on to something here.
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Old 11-10-2009, 07:18 PM
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Maybe someday Obama will put on traditional muslim garb and shoot up the white house...if that ever happens, I'll eat a whole pie of crow. UNTIL then, I just simply don't believe we have a sleeper in the white house.
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Old 11-10-2009, 07:23 PM
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Maybe someday Obama will put on traditional muslim garb and shoot up the white house...if that ever happens, I'll eat a whole pie of crow. UNTIL then, I just simply don't believe we have a sleeper in the white house.
Ok. What do you think he is trying to convey when he speaks of justice in this life and the next?

Did we ever have a President who publically said he hoped or knew Hitler would burn in Hell? I don't know the answer to this so I would appreciate hearing from anyone who does.
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"No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor," Obama told the crowd on a steamy Texas afternoon. "And for what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice — in this world and the next."

One of the things that made O the perfect canidate was his ability to say exactly what everyone wanted to hear. How is it possible?

Consider the above quote taken off a news website just as I saw it. My first reaction was typical American agreement. But then I considered what other meanings one could attach to carefully crafted words.

1. "No faith justifies these muderous and craven acts;"

To Muslim ears---> Infidels (those with no faith) justifies these murderous and craven acts;

2. "No just and loving God looks upon them with favor."

To Muslim ears----> God doesn't look upon them/infidels with favor.

3. "And for what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice — in this world and the next."

----> Indeed! 70 virgins.

Admittedly, I haven't seen these words in context but found myself stunned by the potential double meaning in the headlines. Coincidence?

Btw- When was the last time you heard the President of the United States bring up life after death in a public speech about an evil person? Hmm....
With respect, that's as clear as mud. I mean every word out of anyone's mouth could have a double meaning. How much clearer could the President have made it. "NO FAITH justifies..murderous acts". It's a firm direct rebuke of any murdering terrorist who uses Islam to justify "murderous acts." There is no way you can say the "them" in the second statement is somehow "infidels" when, in fact, the President is speaking about those who do "murderous acts." Come on now...

To be clear, are you expressing the opinion that BHO is a Muslim?
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Parsing words can drive one crazy!
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With respect, that's as clear as mud. I mean every word out of anyone's mouth could have a double meaning.

To be clear, are you expressing the opinion that BHO is a Muslim?
No, it generally takes alot of work to express two contrary opinions at the same time.

Is Obama a Muslim or an athiest using Muslims? I don't know. But many Muslims think he is one of them and this kind of verbage supports that line of thought.
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No, it generally takes alot of work to express two contrary opinions at the same time.

Is Obama a Muslim or an athiest using Muslims? I don't know. But many Muslims think he is one of them and this kind of verbage supports that line of thought.
Sorry, but that lacks logic based on what you posted.
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Ok. What do you think he is trying to convey when he speaks of justice in this life and the next?

Did we ever have a President who publicly said he hoped or knew Hitler would burn in Hell? I don't know the answer to this so I would appreciate hearing from anyone who does.
Why do you assume that his statement is made from a Muslim perspective?

Newman, do you REALLY believe that Obama is congratulating his (alleged) Muslim comrade for killing infidels?

What do you think of this statement by Obama?

"I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful. I didn’t ‘fall out in church’ as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these issues in my life. I didn’t want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals.”



I say a Christian is as a Christian does...but being non-Christian in practice doesn't make one a Muslim.
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Old 11-10-2009, 07:34 PM
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