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04-09-2007, 08:07 PM
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If Conservative Oneness Pentecostals Governed America...
The news article below about a situation in Pakistan made me think this is what we could expect if Conservative Oneness Pentecostals ever governed the USA.
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Clerics: Pakistan official's hug a 'sin'
Radical clerics want her punished after hugging parachuting instructor
The Associated Press
Updated: 4:45 p.m. CT April 9, 2007
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Islamic clerics at a radical mosque in Pakistan's capital have demanded the tourism minister be fired for hugging a foreign man, saying she committed a "great sin."
Minister of Tourism Nilofar Bakhtiar rejected the Taliban-style edict Monday and said her family and friends were concerned for her safety.
Two clerics at Islamabad's Red Mosque demanded her dismissal Sunday, two days after setting up a court to deliver Islamic justice in a bold challenge to President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, a U.S. ally who has promised to promote moderate Islam.
The mosque's chief cleric threatened last week to stage suicide attacks if authorities tried to raid the mosque.
Photos in the Pakistani media have shown Bakhtiar being helped by a male instructor during a charity parachute jump in France last month to raise money for victims of the devastating October 2005 earthquake in Pakistan. Another picture shows a woman — apparently Bakhtiar — hugging the instructor.
'Forbidden act'
This was "an illegitimate and forbidden act," the clerics said in their edict, or fatwa.
"Without any doubt, she has committed a great sin," the fatwa said. It declared that Muslim women must stay at home and must not venture out uncovered.
The fatwa demanded that Bakhtiar be fired, given another unspecified punishment and that her family "force her to ask for forgiveness so that she does not repeat this un-Islamic act."
Bakhtiar called the edict "baseless" and accused Pakistani newspapers of publishing "distorted" captions with the pictures. She said she had jumped without any previous training and her French instructor had just given her a pat.
"It was just a pat because he felt so proud of me," Bakhtiar said. "I felt very happy also because it was affectionate and very encouraging."
The Red Mosque's hard-line clerics — long alleged to have ties with militants — have started a Taliban-style anti-vice campaign in defiance of state authority in the relatively liberal Pakistani capital.
One-month ultimatum
They have warned nearby video and music shop owners to close their businesses and abducted a woman and her relatives for allegedly running a brothel, forcing her to make a public confession.
On Friday, the clerics announced the establishment of an Islamic court and gave the government a one-month ultimatum to close brothels and video shops.
Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz were briefed about the Red Mosque on Monday, the state Associated Press of Pakistan news agency said.
"The two leaders directed that strict measures be taken to enforce the law," the agency reported, without elaborating.
The government has said it wants to resolve the situation through negotiations, amid concerns that a confrontation at the mosque could lead to bloodshed. Seminaries associated with the mosque have thousands of students.
The chief of Pakistan's ruling party, Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, held talks with the mosque's leaders over the weekend.
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04-09-2007, 08:13 PM
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You really think they would be that liberal? D:
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04-09-2007, 08:29 PM
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The Catholic Church and Pope Ruled this way at one time.
Just think how many were burned at the stake by the Christians.
And some hard core Pentecostals often reference the verse were the husband and wife lied, then fell dead.
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04-09-2007, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by COOPER
And some hard core Pentecostals often reference the verse were the husband and wife lied, then fell dead.
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It wasn't Peter that killed them it was God. I've heard some moderates reference this verse on occasion as well......
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04-09-2007, 08:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by COOPER
The Catholic Church and Pope Ruled this way at one time.
Just think how many were burned at the stake by the Christians.
And some hard core Pentecostals often reference the verse were the husband and wife lied, then fell dead.
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All Scripture is given by inspiration of God.
I don't know anybody who wants to see a repeat of that, Coop.
But only a fool ignores the Word of God just because something in unpalatable.
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04-10-2007, 07:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coonskinner
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God.
I don't know anybody who wants to see a repeat of that, Coop.
But only a fool ignores the Word of God just because something in unpalatable.
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You calling me a fool Coon?
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Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
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04-10-2007, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by COOPER
You calling me a fool Coon?
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That would only be true if you ignore the Word of God because it isn't palatable. do you do that? If so, he is only echoing the words spoken by your actions. If not then you are not implicated by the statement!
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04-10-2007, 08:17 AM
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Beaux's li'l buddy............
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CC1
The news article below about a situation in Pakistan made me think this is what we could expect if Conservative Oneness Pentecostals ever governed the USA.
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Clerics: Pakistan official's hug a 'sin'
Radical clerics want her punished after hugging parachuting instructor
The Associated Press
Updated: 4:45 p.m. CT April 9, 2007
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Islamic clerics at a radical mosque in Pakistan's capital have demanded the tourism minister be fired for hugging a foreign man, saying she committed a "great sin."
Minister of Tourism Nilofar Bakhtiar rejected the Taliban-style edict Monday and said her family and friends were concerned for her safety.
Two clerics at Islamabad's Red Mosque demanded her dismissal Sunday, two days after setting up a court to deliver Islamic justice in a bold challenge to President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, a U.S. ally who has promised to promote moderate Islam.
The mosque's chief cleric threatened last week to stage suicide attacks if authorities tried to raid the mosque.
Photos in the Pakistani media have shown Bakhtiar being helped by a male instructor during a charity parachute jump in France last month to raise money for victims of the devastating October 2005 earthquake in Pakistan. Another picture shows a woman — apparently Bakhtiar — hugging the instructor.
'Forbidden act'
This was "an illegitimate and forbidden act," the clerics said in their edict, or fatwa.
"Without any doubt, she has committed a great sin," the fatwa said. It declared that Muslim women must stay at home and must not venture out uncovered.
The fatwa demanded that Bakhtiar be fired, given another unspecified punishment and that her family "force her to ask for forgiveness so that she does not repeat this un-Islamic act."
Bakhtiar called the edict "baseless" and accused Pakistani newspapers of publishing "distorted" captions with the pictures. She said she had jumped without any previous training and her French instructor had just given her a pat.
"It was just a pat because he felt so proud of me," Bakhtiar said. "I felt very happy also because it was affectionate and very encouraging."
The Red Mosque's hard-line clerics — long alleged to have ties with militants — have started a Taliban-style anti-vice campaign in defiance of state authority in the relatively liberal Pakistani capital.
One-month ultimatum
They have warned nearby video and music shop owners to close their businesses and abducted a woman and her relatives for allegedly running a brothel, forcing her to make a public confession.
On Friday, the clerics announced the establishment of an Islamic court and gave the government a one-month ultimatum to close brothels and video shops.
Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz were briefed about the Red Mosque on Monday, the state Associated Press of Pakistan news agency said.
"The two leaders directed that strict measures be taken to enforce the law," the agency reported, without elaborating.
The government has said it wants to resolve the situation through negotiations, amid concerns that a confrontation at the mosque could lead to bloodshed. Seminaries associated with the mosque have thousands of students.
The chief of Pakistan's ruling party, Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, held talks with the mosque's leaders over the weekend.
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CC1, I would be considered by many, many to be conserative, I like to think I am a Child of God, but that aside, what are you trying to say and is this directed at people like me?
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04-10-2007, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by RevDWW
It wasn't Peter that killed them it was God. I've heard some moderates reference this verse on occasion as well......
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The point that I am trying to make is; I have heard this verse referenced by Conservatives these past two years on FCF, NFCF, And AFF.
There is a "God's is gonna getcha" mentality and "Fear me for I am the man of God" attitude.
It's goes back to the making of this thread.
What if Conservative Christians ruled? Especially Strict holiness.
There would be no freedom of speech.
The common folk could not vote.
All rules and codes would be set by the Goverment.
Manditory Church attendance and Tithing.
There would be the sin police patroling cities.
One clothing store owned a designed by the leaders.
No make up, No swimming at beaches. No Sports....etc.
No media and no influence from other countries.
It would be pretty close to North Korea Now!
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04-10-2007, 08:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by philjones
That would only be true if you ignore the Word of God because it isn't palatable. do you do that? If so, he is only echoing the words spoken by your actions. If not then you are not implicated by the statement!
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Do you condone a man Licensed by The UPC to call others a fool?
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