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Not Holy Spirit filled, Give Message in Tongues?
We know that miracles, healings, signs and wonders can be present in the lives of Christians who have not been filled with the Holy Spirit (with speaking in tongues as evidence). Also, prophecies were given by many who did not speak in tongues.
Here are the questions.
If we assume speaking in tongues at Holy Spirit baptism is a different and separate occurrence than speaking in tongues that are subsequently interpreted, is it then possible that one may "give a message in tongues" and not have been baptized with the Holy Spirit?
Does operating in this gift necessarily imply that the speaker also received the Holy Spirit? Why when one has the gift of healing or knowledge then does it not imply the same??
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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01-07-2009, 09:56 PM
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Re: Not Holy Spirit filled, Give Message in Tongue
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
We know that miracles, healings, signs and wonders can be present in the lives of Christians who have not been filled with the Holy Spirit (with speaking in tongues as evidence). Also, prophecies were given by many who did not speak in tongues.
Here are the questions.
If we assume speaking in tongues at Holy Spirit baptism is a different and separate occurrence than speaking in tongues that are subsequently interpreted, is it then possible that one may "give a message in tongues" and not have been baptized with the Holy Spirit?
Does operating in this gift necessarily imply that the speaker also received the Holy Spirit? Why when one has the gift of healing or knowledge then does it not imply the same??
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Don't we normally declare someone has the Holy Ghost when they speak in tongues?
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01-07-2009, 09:59 PM
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Re: Not Holy Spirit filled, Give Message in Tongue
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Don't we normally declare someone has the Holy Ghost when they speak in tongues?
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It is also normally declared that speaking in tongues initially (at Holy Spirit baptism) is NOT THE SAME as the gift of tongues.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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01-07-2009, 10:21 PM
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Re: Not Holy Spirit filled, Give Message in Tongue
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
We know that miracles, healings, signs and wonders can be present in the lives of Christians who have not been filled with the Holy Spirit (with speaking in tongues as evidence). Also, prophecies were given by many who did not speak in tongues.
Here are the questions.
If we assume speaking in tongues at Holy Spirit baptism is a different and separate occurrence than speaking in tongues that are subsequently interpreted, is it then possible that one may "give a message in tongues" and not have been baptized with the Holy Spirit?
Does operating in this gift necessarily imply that the speaker also received the Holy Spirit? Why when one has the gift of healing or knowledge then does it not imply the same??
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A good question...
I always wondered, if it is expected to speak in tongues when one receives the HG, why is it also not required that that they be healers by laying on of hands when they receive. AFter all, it does say "these things shall follow" those who believe, right?
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01-07-2009, 10:22 PM
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Re: Not Holy Spirit filled, Give Message in Tongue
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is it then possible that one may "give a message in tongues" and not have been baptized with the Holy Spirit?
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No. No way. It can't happen. A person that does give a message in tongues either has the Holy Ghost, or is not really speaking in tongues by the Holy Ghost. People can fake speaking in tongues.
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01-07-2009, 10:54 PM
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Re: Not Holy Spirit filled, Give Message in Tongue
Gifts of the Spirit are not operated in by those who don't first HAVE the Spirit.
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01-07-2009, 11:06 PM
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Re: Not Holy Spirit filled, Give Message in Tongue
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Gifts of the Spirit are not operated in by those who don't first HAVE the Spirit.
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A resounding Amen!
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01-07-2009, 11:16 PM
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Re: Not Holy Spirit filled, Give Message in Tongue
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Gifts of the Spirit are not operated in by those who don't first HAVE the Spirit.
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Is it possible for someone who has not spoken with tongues to have the Spirit dwelling in them? In other words, can Jesus come into a person's heart without that person speaking with tongues?
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01-07-2009, 11:17 PM
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Re: Not Holy Spirit filled, Give Message in Tongue
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Is it possible for someone who has not spoken with tongues to have the Spirit dwelling in them? In other words, can Jesus come into a person's heart without that person speaking with tongues?
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No.
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01-07-2009, 11:43 PM
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Re: Not Holy Spirit filled, Give Message in Tongue
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Originally Posted by chseeads
Gifts of the Spirit are not operated in by those who don't first HAVE the Spirit.
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No. No way. It can't happen. A person that does give a message in tongues either has the Holy Ghost, or is not really speaking in tongues by the Holy Ghost. People can fade speaking in tongues.
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Are you then saying those who have apparent gifts of healing, discernment, knowledge etc., yet do not speak in tongues, are also faking it?
Do we discount miracles if they occur in memberships of non Pentecostal churches?
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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