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Old 07-21-2008, 12:19 AM
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Counterfeit Faith?

Is there a such thing as "Counterfeit Faith"
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Re: Counterfeit Faith?

A surprisingly complex question. I was going to answer with a single word, 'yes'. Of course there is counterfeit faith, in the sense that some have put there faith in something fake. But the faith itself is real, in the sense that they really do believe what they believe. So 'no' is also a good answer!

So here's the correct answer to your question:

Yes and no.

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A surprisingly complex question. I was going to answer with a single word, 'yes'. Of course there is counterfeit faith, in the sense that some have put there faith in something fake. But the faith itself is real, in the sense that they really do believe what they believe. So 'no' is also a good answer!

So here's the correct answer to your question:

Yes and no.

While I agree with Timmy I think a lot of people try to validate their theology by using the counterfeit faith argument.

Example: A staunch oneness who thinks trinitarians are going to hell will use the counterfeit argument when the power of God moves in a trinity setting.
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While I agree with Timmy I think a lot of people try to validate their theology by using the counterfeit faith argument.

Example: A staunch oneness who thinks trinitarians are going to hell will use the counterfeit argument when the power of God moves in a trinity setting.
Definitely! And it happens on both sides. All sides, actually.
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Re: Counterfeit Faith?

This thread is counterfeit!
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Re: Counterfeit Faith?

I read some where about counterfeit tongues and it made me think of this question. i was hoping for more thoughts, but oh well. I don't think that yes is an appropriate answer at all.

But a simple no doesn't do it for me either. I was hoping that maybe someone some time in their life has had this question too.
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I read some where about counterfeit tongues and it made me think of this question. i was hoping for more thoughts, but oh well. I don't think that yes is an appropriate answer at all.

But a simple no doesn't do it for me either. I was hoping that maybe someone some time in their life has had this question too.
I would say counterfeit tongues would be a whole different subject. On that subject you could tie in those who chant, plus I believe one can learn how to speak tongues out of their head instead of out of their spirit.

Now, having said that I don't buy into the theology of "as the Spirit moves" and I do believe that a person can pray in the spirit at will, but it still must come out of a persons Spirit and not their head.
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I would say counterfeit tongues would be a whole different subject. On that subject you could tie in those who chant, plus I believe one can learn how to speak tongues out of their head instead of out of their spirit.

Now, having said that I don't buy into the theology of "as the Spirit moves" and I do believe that a person can pray in the spirit at will, but it still must come out of a persons Spirit and not their head.
So what about counterfeit faith-- can faith be faked?
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So what about counterfeit faith-- can faith be faked?
If it can someone would have to explain it to me, because I don't see how. Of course, as much as I would like to think so, I am not all knowing

I would say that it can be perverted. What I mean by that is fear is faith going in the negative direction. Example: We fear a rattlesnake because of our faith in its ability to harm us.

But I wouldn't call that counterfeit, but perverted.
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1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

2Ti 1:5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.
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