Lavish Lifestyle Ministry Spending

[Joie]

Not just the rich and famous, do you have examples for more than modest spending in the ministry?

For example, as a minister or in the ministry, is it okay to drive a Jaguar, wear overly extravagant attire, etc?

http://www.christianpost.com/article..._to_Public.htm

[SDG]

Modesty? What's modesty?

[Nahum]

Beautiful thread. This should raise our collective IQ at least a negative 40 points.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Joie

Not just the rich and famous, do you have examples for more than modest spending in the ministry?

For example, as a minister or in the ministry, is it okay to drive a Jaguar, wear overly extravagant attire, etc?

http://www.christianpost.com/article..._to_Public.htm

I drive a Jag. I wanted one since I was 17, and I don't feel a bit bad about driving it!

[Sister Alvear]

and I have no problem with Sherri driving a jaguar..she does more than her share for missions...

[Rico]

From the article:


Copeland, who has said his ministry fully complies with all laws, believes the inquiry is a violation of religious freedom, an invasion of privacy and a threat to the separation of Church and State.

Where does the constitution mention the separation of Church and State? Good luck finding it. The liberals use this phrase, taken from writings of one of the founding fathers, to further their agenda to completely erase any mention of God in our society. Now Copeland thinks he's being slick and is using this misunderstanding as a defense against anyone looking into what he does with the money that is given to him? What a joke!

Also from the article:

Further questioning the probe, Copeland has raised suspicion about Grassley targeting only Pentecostal churches that preach the prosperity gospel - a teaching that God wants his followers to be rich both spiritually and materially.

Good! Its about time someone looked into how Copeland and his kind have perverted the Word of God for personal gain!

From the article:

Many have shown support for Grasley's investigation, saying the Iowa senator is being careful and not going into doctrinal issues. Rusty Leonard of MinistryWatch.org - which rates ministries on financial transparency to aid donors - says the inquiry is well-founded as it is trying to ensure that the ministries' leaders are adhering to "fundamental biblical principles such as transparency and honesty while exhibiting a sacrificial lifestyle modeled after Jesus."

Go Rusty! Go Rusty! Go Rusty!

From the article:

"If KCM failed to defend its legal rights, then it is deeply concerned that you and your church or your neighbor's church could be next," said the ministry.

Yeah right! Copeland is concerned about one thing and one thing only; protecting his golden egg laying goose!

[Joie]

No offense or surely no condemnation intended toward anyone on this board.... have not been around very long to know who is who.

Nevertheless,off the board, I have been around long enough to see how sad it is when big churches spend extravagantly within the ministry. At the same time, three offerings were being taken at services because the electric bill was so expensive in the summer. Believe me, our giving was extragavant, and I loved that church.

I agree Brother Rico.

[Sam]

Actually, by designating certain ministries and churches as being tax exempt, the revenue which would have come from their income and property taxes has to be made up for by the taxpayers. Isn't this a form of government subsidy of religion?

I think one of the problems with Kenneth Copeland's ministry is an airplane which is owned by the "corporation" for transporting ministers, etc, but it has been used in the past for private use.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Joie

Not just the rich and famous, do you have examples for more than modest spending in the ministry?

For example, as a minister or in the ministry, is it okay to drive a Jaguar, wear overly extravagant attire, etc?

http://www.christianpost.com/article..._to_Public.htm

I am totally hi-jacking your thread sister girl, but I want a PORCH (mis-spelling intentional). You go Sherri!!!!!!

Seriously Joie, I think those kinds of lifestyles say a lot about where they're treasures (hearts) are.

[Joelel]

This Is a very important subject concerning our dress and the owning of worldly things. The scripture teaches love not the world or the things of the world, If any person loves the world and the things of the world the love of the father is not in him.

The scripture Is very clear about we are not to dress ourselves in anything that is expensive. If we are not to dress in expensive dress then we are not to own anything expensive. We are also not to own anything we don't need.

The bible say with food and raiment we are to be content.In the bible using the word gold we understand that we are not to dress in expensive dress. A meek spirit don't wear or own expensive things.

Note here the scripture says gold and pearls or costly array. It don't say jewelry, although jewelry is extreme dressing and a lot is costly.We are to sell everything we don't have need of and give to the poor.

1 Peter 3:3: Whose adorning( Dressing) let it not be that outward adorning( Dressing) of plaiting the hair, (Interweaving and knotting of the hair) and of wearing of gold,(Expensive things) or of putting on of (expensive) apparel;
: But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

1 Tim.2:9: In like manner also, that women adorn (Dress) themselves in modest (descent,not extreme) apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

Acts2:44: And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45: And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need


Acts4:32: And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33: And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34: Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35: And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.


1 Tim.5: Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.6: But godliness with contentment is great gain.
7: For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.8: And having food and raiment let us be therewith content

Math.6:19: Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:20: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

1 Tim.6:17] Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;[18] That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;[19] Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life