Preserving the Institution of Marriage

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

The original premise of the thread which you obviously are in opposition to has to do with legalizing same sex marriage, not banning it. By your actions you obviously take umbrage with that. But by following your logic God placed those in power who have chosen NOT to pass such law. Therefore by maintaining the status quo we are supporting God.

Same question to you Rudy that your bud refuses to answer.

By YOUR logic isn't maintaining the status quo supporting God?

Originally Posted by James Griffin

The original premise of the thread which you obviously are in opposition to has to do with legalizing same sex marriage, not banning it. By your actions you obviously take umbrage with that. But by following your logic God placed those in power who have chosen NOT to pass such law. Therefore by maintaining the status quo we are supporting God.

James Griffin,

I am apposed to sin. And I am not against voting. But I do not think we are doing Gods will to outlaw same sex maggiages, and leaving homosexuals hiding in their closets. If we are going to truely change the world, it is going to be because the holy spirit is working through us, and we are showing the agape love of God to them which are lost. So to me, while it might seem like we are doing righteous to vote sin out of america, we are really not doing Gods business. His business is to change their hearts from darkness, and fill them with his love. This is what the world needs not more rules, but more Jesus

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Will this help.

God rules the nations and appoints authority.

Here we see where God appoints all authority.

Romans 13
Submit to Government
Obey Authorities; Love Your Neighbor; Put on Christ
1. Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is noauthority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves

Col 1:16-17
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.


Job 34:24
He breaks in pieces mighty men without inquiry, and sets others in their place.

Daniel 4:17
"This decision is by the decree of the watchers, And the sentence by the word of the holy ones, In order that the living may know That the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, Gives it to whomever He will, And sets over it the lowest of men.'

Psa 75: 6-7. 6. For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.
7But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.

Dan 2:21. And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth upkings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

1 Peter 3:22
who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

John 19:9-11 (New King James Version

9 and went again into the Praetorium, and said to Jesus, “Where are You from?” But Jesus gave him no answer. 10 Then Pilate said to Him, “Are You not speaking to me? Do You not know that I have power to crucify You, and power to release You?” 11 Jesus answered, “You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.”

Psalm 103:19 The LORD has established His throne in the heavens; And His sovereignty rules over all.

Sounds like you inserted humanistic philosphy in there brother...just like the devil to twist the scriptures, adding words here and there to deceive. You need to be careful. I am not sure what your agenda is but it isn't a Christlike spirit that I feel.

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Sounds like you inserted humanistic philosphy in there brother...just like the devil to twist the scriptures, adding words here and there to deceive. You need to be careful. I am not sure what your agenda is but it isn't a Christlike spirit that I feel.

Rhony,

You should not call someone a devil. How is that being a christian?

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Sounds like you inserted humanistic philosphy in there brother...just like the devil to twist the scriptures, adding words here and there to deceive. You need to be careful. I am not sure what your agenda is but it isn't a Christlike spirit that I feel.

Humanistic? Show where there is twisted scripture. Adding words?

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by UltraLib

Rhony,

You should not call someone a devil. How is that being a christian?

Twisting words again I see...that is the agenda I am talking about. The GLB agenda is to muddy the water and make the good appear bad. I resist that spirit.

In Jesus name, Rhoni

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by UltraLib

James Griffin,

I am apposed to sin. And I am not against voting. But I do not think we are doing Gods will to outlaw same sex maggiages, and leaving homosexuals hiding in their closets. If we are going to truely change the world, it is going to be because the holy spirit is working through us, and we are showing the agape love of God to them which are lost. So to me, while it might seem like we are doing righteous to vote sin out of america, we are really not doing Gods business. His business is to change their hearts from darkness, and fill them with his love. This is what the world needs not more rules, but more Jesus

And once again you mis-state the issue, there is not a move afoot to BAN it, there is a move afoot to LEGALIZE IT. And you obviously would like to see it legalized, your speech betrays you. And in order to legalize it your's and Rudy's argument fall apart because it would require a vote to change God's government. OR on the other side you honestly believe it to be sin, and you have a duty to be used of God to vote on the proposal so either way Check and mate.

Night children.

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Twisting words again I see...that is the agenda I am talking about. The GLB agenda is to muddy the water and make the good appear bad. I resist that spirit.

In Jesus name, Rhoni

Rhony,

first you say that Rudy is putting humanistic teaching and inply that he is tristing scripure, and say its just like the devil to twist scripture. now you are saying I am twisting, so I guess you are calling me a devil to??

I think the spirit you are resisting is the one you need to welcome.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by UltraLib

Rhony,

first you say that Rudy is putting humanistic teaching and inply that he is tristing scripure, and say its just like the devil to twist scripture. now you are saying I am twisting, so I guess you are calling me a devil to??

I think the spirit you are resisting is the one you need to welcome.

I have rebuked and resisted that spirit for years and I am not afraid...I know who you are and God has your number.

Blessings, Rhoni

Originally Posted by James Griffin

And once again you mis-state the issue, there is not a move afoot to BAN it, there is a move afoot to LEGALIZE IT. And you obviously would like to see it legalized, your speech betrays you. And in order to legalize it your's and Rudy's argument fall apart because it would require a vote to change God's government. OR on the other side you honestly believe it to be sin, and you have a duty to be used of God to vote on the proposal so either way Check and mate.

Night children.

James Griffin,

You are still missunderstanding me. I said I appose sin, so I am not for the sin of homosexuals. And I also said that I am not against voting against it. But I do believe that we are just pushing homosexuals back into the closet, and not dealing with the root of the problem. They need Jesus, not rules. Jesus is the only think that will make them change. No matter how many laws you pass, they will still be homosexual. So get filled with the agape love of God, and show them his love so they can find hope, and be changed by the holy spirt. Then you wont need to make all kinds of laws against them. All you are doing right now is putting a bandaid on the true problem. They don't know Jesus's love.