WOW!!! T F Tenney - "Let the Redeemed of the Lord DRESS SO"

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Newman

Nobody is objecting to what Paul preached (which for the record wasn't about outward holiness in the sense that too many assoicate with it).

One certainly can't read Romans and/or Galatians and come away with the idea that our faith should be placed in standards/outward holiness/personal preferences/corporate values, etc.

Excellent post Newman. It is good to see you finding time to call the cons and ultra cons out when they post ridiculous assertions about mods and libs views.

No doubt we have great differences in our views but I wish they would at least try to not twist what we believe.

Originally Posted by ChTatum

Great title.....





any scripture to back it up?

Nah~ But when did that ever matter....

[Brother Price]

Seems sanctification only is spiritual to some. They still want to have their carnality in their dress and what they do. I thought the command not to touch the unclean thing was still in effect?

TF Tenney has been judged on his son. Seems from this message he still preaches standards. Great!

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by CC1

Excellent post Newman. It is good to see you finding time to call the cons and ultra cons out when they post ridiculous assertions about mods and libs views.

No doubt we have great differences in our views but I wish they would at least try to not twist what we believe.

us,we and them right?

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Seems sanctification only is spiritual to some. They still want to have their carnality in their dress and what they do. I thought the command not to touch the unclean thing was still in effect?

TF Tenney has been judged on his son. Seems from this message he still preaches standards. Great!

Funny now when I read things Tom Greg preaches they sound more and more like his dad.

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by crakjak

What is ridiculous is to equate holiness with outward adornment, holiness is inward. I know folks that know nothing of the type of outward adornment standards as described by TFT's sermon that are some of the holiest folks that I have ever known. When you isolate yourselves from all other Christians, it is easy to imagine that they are not holy, or honest, or pure in their relationship with God. These folks are modest in their lifestyles and apparel, however not to the extremes demanded by OP doctrine. You are missing what these other members of the Body of Christ provide when you declare that they are not holy, due to not meeting your standards, therefore we have no need of them.

1 Corinthians 12:14-20 (King James Version)

14For the body is not one member, but many.

15If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

16And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

17If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?

18But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

19And if they were all one member, where were the body?

20But now are they many members, yet but one body.



Romans 12:3-5 (King James Version)

3For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

4For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

5So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

Are you actually trying to imply that outward modesty has nothing to do with holiness? That borders on the insane! I have NEVER once in my entire lifetime declared that holiness was an outward only trait. I have my whole life defended that holiness on the outside is not enough.

However, to declare that what is on the outside has nothing to do with holiness is just as perverted as saying what is on the inside has nothing to do with holiness.

Please, if you want the pearl of great price you have to buy the entire field. It's not a situation where you choose either / or.

I honestly give you more credit than to think you honestly believe that what is outward doesn't affect holiness.

[LaGirl]

i love to hear bro tenny preach. looking forward to hearing him at La camp meeting this week.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by The Dean

Are you actually trying to imply that outward modesty has nothing to do with holiness? That borders on the insane! I have NEVER once in my entire lifetime declared that holiness was an outward only trait. I have my whole life defended that holiness on the outside is not enough.

However, to declare that what is on the outside has nothing to do with holiness is just as perverted as saying what is on the inside has nothing to do with holiness.

Please, if you want the pearl of great price you have to buy the entire field. It's not a situation where you choose either / or.

I honestly give you more credit than to think you honestly believe that what is outward doesn't affect holiness.

Maybe we are talking past one another, I agree that inward holiness will effect the outward.

What I disagree with is that if a person's outward apparel and adornment doesn't meet a specific set of definitions then it means that that person is not holy.

I refuse to define one's holiness by outward appearance, because I do not know the individual's heart, nor their experience.

I remember the very day that I believe the Spirit of the Lord impressed me that it was not my responsibility to check the spiritual temperature of fellow believers base on their outward appearance. I can tell you it was an incredible load off my shoulders when I could just accept all people as valuable and precious in the sight of God and just treat them as such. Let the unadulterated Word of God by His Spirit do His work, stop adding opinion and tradition to it. If the Word without the OP lens does not convict of certain things it is ridiculous for me to try to do it for Him.

[josh]

Originally Posted by Newman

Nobody is objecting to what Paul preached (which for the record wasn't about outward holiness in the sense that too many assoicate with it).

One certainly can't read Romans and/or Galatians and come away with the idea that our faith should be placed in standards/outward holiness/personal preferences/corporate values, etc.

You missed my point, Newman.

I was referring to the constant caricatures of the hard-hearted controlling dictator often referred to on here as being the "last of the breed," the uneducated browbeater who insists on still preaching the stifling standards of repression.

Yet, one would think that from this constant complaint and focus that they would be far more accepting of any outward holiness message if only it came from kind, reasoned, and progressive men.

Well, this thread is ample evidence that it matters not who brings the message, the dictator or TFT, the fact is that outward "standards" are ridiculed to the point of ridiculous.

So, I wish the libs would stop caricaturing everyone who preaches standards as hard-hearted ignorant dictators and just admit that it's the message that offends them...not the postman.

I nearly laughed out loud to read the casual dismissal by some who were convinced ahead of time there would be no scriptural basis for TFT's sermon. The internet has sure spawned some judgmental egos.

I've learned that this Leonard Ravenhill quote is incredibly apt: "When there's something in the Bible that churches don't like, they call it: legalism."

[Rico]

I'd like to see some proof, either scriptural or historical, that shows early Christians dressed differently than the people around them. Just give me one documented clothesline message from that time frame, just one. It saddens me that the apostolic church has taken one of the most sacred aspects of living for God, namely holiness, and reduced it to a dress code.