The Beast Is Destroying the Whore

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by diakonos

You left out

WITHOUT CONTROVERSY

Sorry, wrong verse

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Sorry for the train wreck that happened here. Let's get back to the thread subject.



There's a few things I would disagree with here, such as the source of the American dream being the love of money. I would say that is an inaccurate representation of the American dream. The American dream was to own one's own home, not be starving or dead broke or slaving away for pennies but either having a good job or being self employed. That is entirely Biblical. Nowadays of course it has been twisted into something unrecognizable. Half the country is clamoring for communism and a large part of the population is indeed straight up greedy and selfish and lovers of money and pleasures. But I don't want to quibble over terms.

I believe you are close in connecting Babylon with a financial system based in greed. But there's much more to it, I believe.

Revelation 17:1-2 KJV
And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: [2] With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Babylon commits fornication with governments. That is, alliances and agreements. These alliances with Babylon cause the citizens of those countries to become intoxicated (crazy, not sober, stupid, unthinking, excessive, etc). So it isn't Babylon that DIRECTLY intoxicates the public. Rather, it is the cooperation between Babylon and civil governments that releases an intoxicating influence on the masses.

Which means Babylon is a power structure that influences and uses national governments to delude the populace. It is not a mere "economic system" but an actual organised entity:

Revelation 17:18 KJV
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

This is a "city that reigns over" national governments. It is a power bloc that is international and supranational. It controls national governments, and through that control it dominates the masses.

Important to a proper identification of this Babylon is the fact that the angel, in explaining the vision to John, did NOT say "this is that great city that WILL ONE DAY rule over the kings of the earth." Rather, the city is described in the PRESENT tense. Meaning it was already in John's day reigning over the kings of the earth. It continues to reign until it's destruction in Rev 18, which flows almost immediately into "Armageddon" which culminates in the return of the Lord and the destruction of the 2 beasts and the beginning of the Millennium. Therefore its lifetime stretches from John's day in the 1st century until some point relatively shortly prior to "Armageddon."

Another key identifying factor is this:

Revelation 11:8 KJV
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

The great city (called Babylon in ch 17) is here identified as the place "where ... our Lord was crucified." Where was our Lord crucified? Jerusalem. Not Rome. Not America. But Jerusalem. This is a key to identifying the international power that "reigns" over (controls) national governments from John's day onward, which uses it's control over governments to intoxicate the citizens of those nations.

Bump for brother James...

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Sorry, wrong verse

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

OK, Amanah and yourself both believe in the Human body of Jesus in heaven.

Colossians 2:1-10 KJVS
[1] For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh;
[2] That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
[3] In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
[4] And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
[5] For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
[6] As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
[7] Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
[9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
[10] And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:


How where men trying to beguile the men at Colossians? Was Paul explaining to them about Jesus while he was on this Earth, or is Paul saying that Jesus is a human being right now in the heaven?

I believe Paul is teaching the church that all the fullness of God was in Jesus bodily. We use that verse to preach One God. Does that verse mean that Jesus is in Human bodily form right now?

If your going to take that scripture for face value and not align it with other scripture, then what do you do about these;

Exodus 15:3 KJVS
[3] The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.

God the Father was a MAN? God the Father was a human being???

Maybe the most famous one;

Exodus 33:13-23 KJVS
[13] Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in thy sight: and consider that this nation is thy people.
[14] And he said, My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.
[15] And he said unto him, If thy presence go not with me, carry us not up hence.
[16] For wherein shall it be known here that I and thy people have found grace in thy sight? is it not in that thou goest with us? so shall we be separated, I and thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth.
[17] And the Lord said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
[18] And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
[19] And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
[20] And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
[21] And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
[22] And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
[23] And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Who’s is Moses speaking with? Verse 21 says the LORD is speaking with Moses. So here is another scripture that stats God is a man. Verse 22 & 23 mention, hand, face, and back, and he was going to pass by so that means legs. So God is a fully Human Man!

So, if Jesus is in a Human Bodily Form, and God of the Old Covenant is a Man which BODY is in HEAVEN RIGHT NOW?

Consapente89, Amanah, and James34 if you guys would like to discuss, then please we can discuss. This is not about trying to get one over on you or me. If I’m wrong I’m humble enough to admit it.

Brother, Paul was not speaking poetically! He was speaking as a matter of fact. You can’t interpret poetic language the same way you do plain doctrinal teaching, such as he was doing in Colossians.

If he didn’t believe the Jesus was still man and God, he would have said dwelt.

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

You beat me to it. I was going to ask the reason for the human body up in heaven if he believes in One God.

Y’all must really struggle with the baptism of Jesus if you don’t believe he can be on the throne as the glorified man and filling the earth by His Spirit at the same time.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by consapente89

I admit, I am a bit rusty.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by consapente89

Y’all must really struggle with the baptism of Jesus if you don’t believe he can be on the throne as the glorified man and filling the earth by His Spirit at the same time.

Good point.

[james34]

I keep hearing all of this jazz about small businesses and how the present stimulus just isnt enough.
I'm starting to wonder if part of the NWO strategy is to make sure that a lot of small business goes under during the pandemic(never to be seen again), leaving room for the state run corporations to drive the slave population in an atmosphere where there is no other market competition or employment opportunities.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by james34

I keep hearing all of this jazz about small businesses and how the present stimulus just isnt enough.
I'm starting to wonder if part of the NWO strategy is to make sure that a lot of small business goes under during the pandemic(never to be seen again), leaving room for the state run corporations to drive the slave population in an atmosphere where there is no other market competition or employment opportunities.

The plan involves increased monopoly holdings and getting rid of small businesses. That's what NAFTA and the TTP and "free trade" were all about, too.

I'm currently engaged in some exploratory meetings with some financers and business owners trying to develop a private sector solution to much of this mess. Hopefully some things will be coming operational over the next six months. Lord willing it will actually help transform American business and make it more resilient and beneficial to many who are losing all right now.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by consapente89

Y’all must really struggle with the baptism of Jesus if you don’t believe he can be on the throne as the glorified man and filling the earth by His Spirit at the same time.

They must also struggle with the idea that Jesus was man on earth and simultaneously omnipresent God. But then again, they struggle with providing Scripture for their unscriptural teachings anyway, so...