Internet Sales Tax Passes - Senate Vote Count

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Pressing-On, Politicians don't need to be paid off, influenced or threatened to pass a bill that essentially raises taxes on Americans...ROFL!

LOL! Probably true, but you can't discount the level of influence/coercion certain lobbyist groups have for their causes. And it's more about power for them. The raising of taxes is not paramount to staying in the game.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

LOL! Probably true, but you can't discount the level of influence/coercion certain lobbyist groups have for their causes. And it's more about power for them. The raising of taxes is not paramount to staying in the game.

Yes I just don't believe it was necessary in this case. They've been eyeing how to make more money by regulating the internet and charging for email and other services for years. It's no surprise that government finally decided to mandate sales tax

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yes I just don't believe it was necessary in this case. They've been eyeing how to make more money by regulating the internet and charging for email and other services for years. It's no surprise that government finally decided to mandate sales tax

27 Senators, including 5 Democrats. didn't feel that way. So, no, it's not always about revenue for some people. We will see how the House votes on this.

[Praxeas]

But how many opposed the bill because it's about taxes?

The bill got bipartisan support in the Senate but faces opposition in the House, where some lawmakers regard it as a tax increase. Grover Norquist, the anti-tax advocate, and the conservative Heritage Foundation oppose the bill, and many Republicans have been wary of crossing them.
http://news.yahoo.com/internet-sales...071331753.html

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

But how many opposed the bill because it's about taxes?

The bill got bipartisan support in the Senate but faces opposition in the House, where some lawmakers regard it as a tax increase. Grover Norquist, the anti-tax advocate, and the conservative Heritage Foundation oppose the bill, and many Republicans have been wary of crossing them.
http://news.yahoo.com/internet-sales...071331753.html

Obviously, the ones voting against it were concerned about taxing the American people more.

More importantly, it bypassed the Senate Committee, not following regular order in the Senate. That's a big heads up.

[High & Low]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It has nothing to do with revenue? Seriously? For months Dems and Reps have been wrangling over how to deal with the national debt and pay for things like Obama Care. They bantered around the idea of raising taxes, not renewing the Bush tax cuts and cutting spending across the board.

Of course this is about tax revenue. Like I said before, California already passed a law like this so they can reap in millions in taxes

Well, i'll repeat myself....it's all a ploy. Maybe 10% of the collective group of Dem and Rep Senators and Congressmen are honest in their efforts and ideas to help this nation...the big majority are bought and paid for. And the arguing and bickering between Republicans and Democrats over issues is a show for the American people...a manipulating and deceitful show. And the media has a part in it. Open your eyes and you'll see what I see. ....as for California...that's a state...not the federal government. Why is the federal government passing laws for a few measly dollars in comparison to our debt and spending? Revenue? Not a chance. It goes way beyond revenue.

[Nitehawk013]

Originally Posted by n david

Do you have to pay shipping when you walk into a store? No. Meanwhile the "slob in his pajamas" has to deal with the cost of shipping, which can be higher than sales taxes. Not only the cost of shipping, but websites, virtual shopping carts, transaction fees, etc add to their cost. No, it's still not as expensive as a brick and mortar store, but the reason for doing online retail is to cut overhead, keep expenses down while making a profit. This alleged advantage the online store owner has over the traditional brick and mortar owner is a myth.

Look, this is America. The land where opportunity is available for anyone who wants to work. This "it's not fair" nonsense is ridiculous. The owners of physical stores have the same rights and opportunity as the "slob in his pajamas."

"it's not fair" is not ridiculous. It's not a land of opportunity if the playing field is slanted and unfairly weighted to give an advantage to one group over another.

[Nitehawk013]

I'm all for this crippling a few more online stores and pushing people into Walmart. I love it. Walmart employs millions of Americans. The better Walmart does, the better it is for thier employees.

I should note, my wife works for Walmart so Walmart pays my mortgage. "Big Evil Walmart" has paid her well, given her raises every year and offered her management positions. Viva la Walmart!

[n david]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

"it's not fair" is not ridiculous. It's not a land of opportunity if the playing field is slanted and unfairly weighted to give an advantage to one group over another.

It IS a land of opportunity. There is equal opportunity for the "slob in his pajamas" and the brick and mortar store owner. They BOTH can choose how they proceed to start a business. That choice is equal opportunity.

What you want isn't equal opportunity, what you want is the government to step in and dictate what's fair and what's considered equal opportunity. You want socialism.

Did you vote for Obama?

As I stated before, it's a myth that the playing field is slanted and unfair. Do you have a clue what it takes to have an online business? I don't think you do. I don't think you have any idea the costs associated with domain names, website hosting, virtual shopping carts, ssl certs, transaction fees, etc. The "slob in his pajamas" who has an online store, in most cases, is not making bank.

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

I'm all for this crippling a few more online stores and pushing people into Walmart. I love it. Walmart employs millions of Americans. The better Walmart does, the better it is for thier employees.

I should note, my wife works for Walmart so Walmart pays my mortgage. "Big Evil Walmart" has paid her well, given her raises every year and offered her management positions. Viva la Walmart!

Why am I not surprised? First, you're totally for a small-business killing bill that destroyes the entrepreneurial spirit of the internet; now you praise Walmart, which is another small-business killer.

You must have voted for Obama.

[Aquila]

Another example of how the Democrats and the Republicans are only the right and left hands of what is wrong in this country.

Our Founding Fathers would have already declared war. And we're too blind to even begin voting for a third party.