All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Yes!!!!! I knew it!!!!! I was not sure because its not in the Bible but good. Lets get rid of those 3 God loving freaks............oh wait that's me.

You don't really believe there are 3 Gods do you?

[Nitehawk013]

The problem of course with the use of some of the scriptures being used is that NO trinitarian I have ever met or had go through our new converts class actually believes in three literal Gods. Now, sure...the logical conclusion to applying the tenets of the trinitarian doctrine produces what must in actuality be 3 gods, but those who believe it see God as still one.

The difference is that most trinitarians see God as one along the lines of a corporation being one depsite having multiple departments under that one roof that operate seperately from one another. We Oneness tend to see God as One in terms of being literally a single absolutely monadic being. One being, filling three primary roles.

Either way they would say one god. The trinitarian doesn't truly believe in three gods, even though that is the ultimate sum of their description of the seperate "persons" of the Godhead.

Nevertheless, I don't think for a moment that trinitarians are going to hell over not understanding the Godhead. Theological minds far brighter than any on this forum have been unable to understand and "crack the code" of the Godhead for 2000 years and I doubt they are all going to split hell wide open over it.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Folks who would fellowship Trinitarians do NOT believe the message themselves.

If a Oneness pastor had not fellowshipped me when I was licensed with the Assemblies of God, then I never would have joined the Oneness ranks and been open to more truth. Somebody like...well....you....would never have reached me.

Furthermore, concerning Trinitarians who have received the gift of the Holy Ghost, please consider Paul's words in Ephesians 1:13-14......

13 And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago.

14 The Spirit is God’s guarantee that he will give us the inheritance he promised and that he has purchased us to be his own people.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by B4 Nicaea

No, it's not a lie. All trinitarians are lost.

Follow the words of Jesus.

John 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

John 8:27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Far be it from me to want anyone to be lost. I dont. I understand people having the Holy Ghost and not understanding the Godhead as it was about 5 years among Protestant groups before I saw the great truth that Jesus is both the Father and the Son. HOWEVER in the light of what Jesus said in John 8:24 I could not in good conscience give someone assurance of final salvation if they do not believe "Unless ye believe that I am {he} you shall die in your sins".

Jesus was saying he was the Father they were seeking. They didnt get it. Dont leave someone in the dark who needs to hear the truth. Dont be afraid to speak up for the truth. My approach certainly is not condemning someone to Hell the first time I have shared with them. Nonetheless we do need to make the message strong so it will at least be considered.

If one ACTUALLY believes the classic Trinitarian doctrine defined as:

There is one God who exists as 3 co equal, co eternal persons, each one of them God in his own right and each person is not the other person.......

I do believe that is a rejection of the doctrine of Christ.

Many millions of believers in Jesus have been taught this but have questions. Many will never get answers unless Oneness people take the burden of caring for and loving people that love him but have been trapped in Protestant/Catholic doctrine.

It is not HATEFUL to present Biblical truth. It is contending for the faith that was once delivered to the saints as we are ALL commanded to do.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

The problem of course with the use of some of the scriptures being used is that NO trinitarian I have ever met or had go through our new converts class actually believes in three literal Gods. Now, sure...the logical conclusion to applying the tenets of the trinitarian doctrine produces what must in actuality be 3 gods, but those who believe it see God as still one.

The difference is that most trinitarians see God as one along the lines of a corporation being one depsite having multiple departments under that one roof that operate seperately from one another. We Oneness tend to see God as One in terms of being literally a single absolutely monadic being. One being, filling three primary roles.

Either way they would say one god. The trinitarian doesn't truly believe in three gods, even though that is the ultimate sum of their description of the seperate "persons" of the Godhead.

Nevertheless, I don't think for a moment that trinitarians are going to hell over not understanding the Godhead. Theological minds far brighter than any on this forum have been unable to understand and "crack the code" of the Godhead for 2000 years and I doubt they are all going to split hell wide open over it.

Doesn't matter how they want to describe it they still believe in 3 gods.

[Steve Epley]

The Jesus of the Doctrine of the Trinity is NOT the Jesus preached by the Apostles nor declared by Jesus himself.

[Farfel]

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

Anyone who claims salvation but believes in a triune Godhead is in false doctrine & will not be saved unless delivered from that false doctrine.

All the law hangs on Hear O Isreal The Lord our God is ONE Lord.

Jesus Is Lord, and he said "except you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins"

That's not what Jesus said. Matthew 22:35-40

35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

While verse 37 is from the Shema as well as "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord," there is no reference to that particular part here.

[Farfel]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

The problem of course with the use of some of the scriptures being used is that NO trinitarian I have ever met or had go through our new converts class actually believes in three literal Gods. Now, sure...the logical conclusion to applying the tenets of the trinitarian doctrine produces what must in actuality be 3 gods, but those who believe it see God as still one.

The difference is that most trinitarians see God as one along the lines of a corporation being one depsite having multiple departments under that one roof that operate seperately from one another. We Oneness tend to see God as One in terms of being literally a single absolutely monadic being. One being, filling three primary roles.

Either way they would say one god. The trinitarian doesn't truly believe in three gods, even though that is the ultimate sum of their description of the seperate "persons" of the Godhead.

Nevertheless, I don't think for a moment that trinitarians are going to hell over not understanding the Godhead. Theological minds far brighter than any on this forum have been unable to understand and "crack the code" of the Godhead for 2000 years and I doubt they are all going to split hell wide open over it.

You are absolutely correct. No trinitarian believes in 3 literal Gods.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Amanah

You don't really believe there are 3 Gods do you?

Sister Amanah you asked do Do I believe in 3 Gods?

I believe that Mary was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit and gave birth to the Lamb of God. This Lamb who was wrapped in Joseph's death cloth and was born to die. I believe that same Lamb who lived a perfect life one without spot and blemish gave Himself up to the joy that was set before Him so that we can walk in newness of life with His perfect shed blood. I believe that same Lamb rose again after 3 days through the same Spirit that overshadowed Mary. The Holy Spirit.

I believe this Lamb was prophesied in the Old Testament and is the Messiah that Jewish people waited and many missed. Because He did not fit with their thinking.

I believe that this Lamb was fully man and yet fully God. He testified to this throughout the Gospels. He said He was the "Son" and also said He was the "I am". I worship one God and His Name is above all Names and that Name is Jesus Christ.

I am not required by God to have a full understanding of the Godhead for my Salvation, if that was the case nobody would stand a chance because our finite mind can never grasp the beauty and fullness of the infinite Godhead.

If I could fully understand the Godhead then my God is too small.

So what do you think do I believe in 3 Gods?????

[Steve Epley]

The consequences of 3 gods are forced upon you:
Each person is separate and distinct and each is God by his own right. Thus 3 beings or persons which are all God. Thus 3 gods.
OR
Each is 1/3 God to makeup your Godhead thus none are God by themselves.
Either way is NOT the doctrine of God preached by the Apostles.