UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit! - Page 9

allstate1 · #81 07-13-2010, 11:32 AM

I dont believe a pastor should ever point out a person involved in sin from the pulpit!! Can you imagine if there was a visitor there?

DAII · #82 07-13-2010, 11:32 AM

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Moreover, Fogarty’s issues with Angela Driver were that she was not submissive and she wore clothing that he believed was immodest, including skirts above the knee, Kennedy said

Read more: http://www.macon.com/2010/07/07/1187...#ixzz0tZcjfJZz

To many in this culture not submissive = being a fornicating Jezebel witch.

Here are some of the other issues had with Angela, Miss Bratt.

BeenThinkin · #83 07-13-2010, 11:34 AM

We need to get back to "more serious matters!" Whose legs are these? Are these the same legs?

Just kidding Renda!!! Randy if they're both yours the second picture looks better! Don't you think? Could I hear an Amen?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...2&d=1279039690

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...3&d=1279040694

BT

pelathais · #84 07-13-2010, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Too ... She is not guilty of slander....

I did not even bring up the issues of potential flirting pre-divorce ... I can list them if you like ....

Okay. The gentleman was considered "damaged goods" and could not get anyone to even give him the time of day. He was torn and confused about how he should continue in his walk with God and several thoughts about just "packing it all in" had crossed his mind.

He found that by trying to keep busy around the church his mind was eased and his spirit even began to feel a bit refreshed. Then, he happened to lock eyes with the preacher's daughter... and well, the resultant feelings were predictable.

BUT - there was this huge problem. Remarriage in that part of the country is frowned upon most severely by those who hold the reigns of religious power - both Pentecostal and otherwise. The old man had probably even made remarks in the past concerning this.

So, the young lady and her sisters set out to try and see just how "Daddy" really feels about this issue... and viola! "The fornication" clause of Matthew 5:32. None of them told "Daddy" what to say - they would never dare. But the general tone of the conversations may have been predictable - especially given the fact that the happiness of a young lady was at stake.

And so, with self righteousness and convinced of the invulnerability of the pulpit, the old man gets up there and says too much of one thing and something entirely wrong about another. The whole thing then blows up in his face.

Far better to have cultivated a church culture that supports and forgives than one that condemns and judges at every moment. When the money was finally on the line, no one knew what to do except to judge; and the jury has now spoken.

MissBrattified · #85 07-13-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Here are some of the other issues had with Angela, Miss Bratt.

I read that, DA. However, it came across to me as his personal "issues" with her as a saint--not an exhaustive list of reasons for the divorce.

I would agree, generally speaking, that a lack of submission to authority and immodest clothing are problems for a Christian woman. Wouldn't you? I'm not supportive of men abusing that authority, and I'm not supportive of a husband forcing his wife to dress modestly. Those things should be independent choices.

From a woman's standpoint, though, if I'm trying to please God, I think that includes modesty in behavior & appearance, and submitting to my husband's authority in the home.

In that regard, as I said earlier, I'm not willing to give Ms. Driver a free pass simply because she won her court case.

MissBrattified · #86 07-13-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Okay. The gentleman was considered "damaged goods" and could not get anyone to even give him the time of day. He was torn and confused about how he should continue in his walk with God and several thoughts about just "packing it all in" had crossed his mind.

He found that by trying to keep busy around the church his mind was eased and his spirit even began to feel a bit refreshed. Then, he happened to lock eyes with the preacher's daughter... and well, the resultant feelings were predictable.

BUT - there was this huge problem. Remarriage in that part of the country is frowned upon most severely by those who hold the reigns of religious power - both Pentecostal and otherwise. The old man had probably even made remarks in the past concerning this.

So, the young lady and her sisters set out to try and see just how "Daddy" really feels about this issue... and viola! "The fornication" clause of Matthew 5:32. None of them told "Daddy" what to say - they would never dare. But the general tone of the conversations may have been predictable - especially given the fact that the happiness of a young lady was at stake.

And so, with self righteousness and convinced of the invulnerability of the pulpit, the old man gets up there and says too much of one thing and something entirely wrong about another. The whole thing then blows up in his face.

Far better to have cultivated a church culture that supports and forgives than one that condemns and judges at every moment. When the money was finally on the line, no one knew what to do except to judge; and the jury has now spoken.

Good post, pel. This pretty much sums up the likely family dynamic.

This was probably done more out of support for his daughter's new interest than revenge against the ex-wife.

RandyWayne · #87 07-13-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

We need to get back to "more serious matters!" Whose legs are these? Are these the same legs?

Just kidding Renda!!! Randy if they're both yours the second picture looks better! Don't you think? Could I hear an Amen?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...2&d=1279039690

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...3&d=1279040694

BT

I prefer this one:
http://s174.photobucket.com/albums/w...25Godzilla.jpg

(Which is when things got REALLY tense.)

DAII · #88 07-13-2010, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I prefer this one:
http://s174.photobucket.com/albums/w...25Godzilla.jpg

(Which is when things got REALLY tense.)

Incoming PM Randy.

Mirth1981 · #89 07-13-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Unfortunately, these are the types of things that happen all the time. If the UPC would (finally!) embark on a program of training its ministers then we wouldn't see the leadership positions filled with a bunch of redneck yahoos running herd over THE LORD'S heritage.

I could not agree more.

Praxeas · #90 07-13-2010, 11:51 AM

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$500,000 Awarded in Slander Lawsuit

This quote from the article is interesting:

Are the days of pastors calling out individual members of the congregation for sin over? I hope so! It's one thing to preach against sin, but it's another when you name names and can possibly ruin the reputation of someone by your public gossip in front of peers.

Nearly half of it went to the attorneys......