Few issues here, first of all it has nothing to do with him being confused. Its about us understanding that it's the authority of his Name that brings about the remissions of sins when baptized.
Even in the modern world, when signing a legal paper... its the authority of the name singed that makes it valid! IF the district attorney were to sign a paper as "From District Attorney" it wouldn't be valid without the name.
Who's signing Jesus' name at baptism? The preacher?
To do something "in the name of" someone is to be an agent of that person. You are authorized to act on his behalf. If the Oneness tenet is correct that Jesus is the name of the Father and is the name of the Son and is the name of the Holy Ghost, then you guys are correct that baptizing in Jesus' name is the same (i.e., is obeying the command) as baptizing in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. But then, it would also be correct (i.e., it is also obeying the command) to say the words "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". If one is right, they are both right.
Personally, I find it really hard to believe that God is confused about who the preacher means if he lists the "offices" instead of says the name "Jesus". I think He's smarter than that.
OK, I'll repeat my old story here.
For several years I went to a Vineyard Church and was part of several prayer teams. We often anointed people with oil and prayed for them according to James chapter 5. If I was the one doing the anointing, I would just put a little dab of oil (or oil in the shape of a small cross) on a person's forehead "in the name of Jesus Christ." Most of the others would put a little cross shaped oil place on the forehead "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." I personally liked to verbalize the name "Jesus" but others were fine with the "traditional" formula. I personally do not think God was confused with either "formula" or that He with held blessing or healing if the proper name was not verbalized.
One of the guys that I went on lots of hospital trips with was a Roman Catholic who had been baptized in the Spirit some years back. I used to call him "Father Froelich" because of his background and belief system. When we went together, I used his Bible. It was a New Jerusalem (Catholic Charismatic) version and it was very well worn and well marked. You could easily see that he spent a lot of time in it. Some times I used to kid him and say, "You say you are anointing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost but you don't mention that name." He would just chuckle.
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Sam also known as Jim Ellis
Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
Who's signing Jesus' name at baptism? The preacher?
It's the baptizers Job to say the Name of Jesus over the one being baptized. If anything else is said, the authority of His name is not in the baptism & the baptism is invalid.
Obviously the one being baptized either has the Holy Ghost or is seeking it & believes in Jesus Name, or they wouldnt be getting baptized.
I find it funny how people can question this even though nobody in the Bible was ever baptized any way but in the Name of the Lord Jesus.....
Few issues here, first of all it has nothing to do with him being confused. Its about us understanding that it's the authority of his Name that brings about the remissions of sins when baptized.
Even in the modern world, when signing a legal paper... its the authority of the name singed that makes it valid! IF the district attorney were to sign a paper as "From District Attorney" it wouldn't be valid without the name.
Jesus expected his disciples to DO what he said, not repeat it. They had enough sense to understand what he meant when he said "in the NAME" thats why you don't find one place in the Bible where anyone was baptized in titles. There is no power in a Title...
But the Name of Jesus.. which is the only name under Heaven given among men whereby we must be saved, is how everyone was Baptized...
Any way other then that is invalid, powerless, & not obeying the word!
OK, "confused" was not the right word, but my point was that God would know what you mean, whichever way you articulated it. If Jesus is "the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost", then "the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost" is Jesus.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Few issues here, first of all it has nothing to do with him being confused. Its about us understanding that it's the authority of his Name that brings about the remissions of sins when baptized.
Even in the modern world, when signing a legal paper... its the authority of the name singed that makes it valid! IF the district attorney were to sign a paper as "From District Attorney" it wouldn't be valid without the name.
You didn't answer my question concerning this analogy. Who's signing Jesus' name at baptism, the preacher?
Few issues here, first of all it has nothing to do with him being confused. Its about us understanding that it's the authority of his Name that brings about the remissions of sins when baptized.
Even in the modern world, when signing a legal paper... its the authority of the name singed that makes it valid! IF the district attorney were to sign a paper as "From District Attorney" it wouldn't be valid without the name.
Jesus expected his disciples to DO what he said, not repeat it. They had enough sense to understand what he meant when he said "in the NAME" thats why you don't find one place in the Bible where anyone was baptized in titles. There is no power in a Title...
But the Name of Jesus.. which is the only name under Heaven given among men whereby we must be saved, is how everyone was Baptized...
Any way other then that is invalid, powerless, & not obeying the word!
If this child is not baptized in Jesus Name, will that make a difference when the child dies? Do you think this child would even hear you and your Religious squabbling over one word?
If this child is not baptized in Jesus Name, will that make a difference when the child dies? Do you think this child would even hear you and your Religious squabbling over one word?
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