BOOM, you know the answer to that as well as I do. It's the common way to try to discredit the process; if someone is breaking the rules then the rules probably have no merit anyway.
I preached in 20 states and 4 foreign countries last year and, let me see... how many Pastors had television in their homes? How many told me that they have television?
Oh yes... NONE! For all these people who say 'Every Pastor does it'all I can say, as one who preached in over 40 places last year, is that you appear to be dead wrong.
Stead....I think you know, that I too, have preached in more than 40 places last year. All I will say is.....even YOU would be shocked.
Stead....I think you know, that I too, have preached in more than 40 places last year. All I will say is.....even YOU would be shocked.
I have been preaching since I was 15 and I can count on both hands the men I preached for who have had televisions. I have preached all across this nation and 4 foreign countries not counting Mississippi.
I have been preaching since I was 15 and I can count on both hands the men I preached for who have had televisions. I have preached all across this nation and 4 foreign countries not counting Mississippi.
I hardly think so, but I do believe that if a person enters into a covenant with a fellowship, they should live by the terms of that covenant.
And, if a person accepts a leadership position in an organization, they have a fiduciary duty to uphold the principles of that organization until the regulations are changed.
If we are in covenant you would think they would spell my name right in the directory.
Do you also believe that the UPCI's stand against having television in the home is absurd also?
Do you support Hollywood in the home?
I DO believe that the UPCI's stand against TV in the home IS absurd. To follow this logic would be to say I should not have a library in my home, because there are bad books out there too. Come on... get outta my business. I have enough Holy Ghost about me to keep my viewing wholesome.
HOWEVER....
The man's point is valid, folks. How, in good conscience, do UPC pastors sign a statement swearing to uphold the NO TV RULE ... and then not do it??? In my book, this lacks integrity... and if they had been honest to their sworn statement, they would not be able to hold membership in this organization and therefore would NOT have been able to vote. And I suspect Stephanas is right... the vote probably would not have passed.
The order things have occurred is backwards. Logically, the AS and Manual should have been revised before Res 4 passed. (The NO TV RULE should have gone out the window when the internet was allowed.)
"Furthermore, because of the display of all these evils on television, we disapprove of any of our people having television sets in their homes." (Articles of Faith UPCI)
You didn't answer my question.
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Correct me if I am wrong, but ain't the UPCI a fellowship of ministers not churches? The manual applies to ministry only and there are somethings they recommend pastors ask of their people.
The UPC articles of faith do not force me to do anything...and as an organization saying "we disapprove of blah blah blah" doesn't mean squat. Pastors can preach that to their saints and then their saints can follow it, but otherwise I don't see how the AOF mean having a TV makes it a sin
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
I did not post that all the pastors who voted for resolution #4 had televisions in their homes.
You did make having a TV by the voters part of your overall argument. That is an assumption. What difference does it make if you said all or not?
Quote:
I posted, "If the UPCI ministers who have chosen to have television in their homes had turned in their credentials instead of going to Tampa and overthrowing the restriction on television advertising, would there be a need for the Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship?"
The logical interpretation is that, in my opinion, the number of pastors with televisions voting in favor of resolution #4 was enough to tip the balance in favor of its passage.
No kidding.....I don't see any reason to change what I already said since you are just supporting and reiterating the same assumption
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
The Manual of the UPCI is a contract between the fellowship and its members. Ministers voluntarily enter into the contract - nobody has to be UPC to serve God, preach, or go to Heaven.
But if a minister signs the contract they should live by its terms.
Ok, I understand that and also have no problem with that last statement. If you are going to be in the "club" abide by the by laws, that is fair.
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