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09-11-2007, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Believer
My point is, I wouldn't build my doctrine on these few passages because they are in dispute of their trustworthiness.
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You know, I have ran into a lot of Unitarians that make that same claim to most of the verses we would both use to pove the Deity of Christ. I'm not sure it's a good argument. Something has to be "The Word of God" and at somepoint we also have to have a right translation.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-11-2007, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
You know, I have ran into a lot of Unitarians that make that same claim to most of the verses we would both use to pove the Deity of Christ. I'm not sure it's a good argument. Something has to be "The Word of God" and at somepoint we also have to have a right translation.
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Then you must also accept 1 John 5:7 in the KJV. Are you willing to do that?
1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
How many are bearing record in heaven? The list is in 7b.
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09-11-2007, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
On THIS forum, you have not been any better than what Rico posted. Yes you have had your moments of pejorative terms as well as others, but as you would read I made my comments to EVERYONE Oneness and Trinitarian. Let's not act like it's just the Oneness here doing so.
That is NOT going to happen. Even the quips about someone else here being not christ like is seen as a swipe. So I am saying to everyone, let's not go there with the finger pointing.
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Show me Prax. Please point my posts out to me. If I did, I will apologize.
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09-11-2007, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Believer
Then you must also accept 1 John 5:7 in the KJV. Are you willing to do that?
1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
How many are bearing record in heaven? The list is in 7b. |
How many whats are bearing record in heaven? I don't have a problem with accepting this verse, even though most scholars view it as an interpolation
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-11-2007, 09:44 PM
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Show me Prax. Please point my posts out to me. If I did, I will apologize.
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If experience is an indicator, Believer, it's best to call it a night.
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09-11-2007, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Believer
Show me Prax. Please point my posts out to me. If I did, I will apologize.
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you don't need to apologize. Im not going to argue with you over this. Stop it, ok? Stop trying to argue with me when I tell everyone to chill out.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-11-2007, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
How many whats are bearing record in heaven? I don't have a problem with accepting this verse, even though most scholars view it as an interpolation
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Let me first say, I'm not promoting anything here. I'm only trying to show what the verse literally states. My Bible doesn't have this verse. I read from the NASB.
Who are the three in heaven in this verse?
For there are THREE bearing record, as in witnesses...the Father, the Word (Son) and the Holy Spirit, and these THREE are one.
hen (neut.); a prim. num.; one: - agreement (1), alike *(1), alone (3), common (1),
This is the same use of the word hen as we see in John 10:30. Are you sure you don't have a problem with this verse?
RWP: The spurious addition is: en tōi ouranōi ho patēr, ho logos kai to hagion pneuma kai houtoi hoi treis hen eisin kai treis eisin hoi marturountes en tēi gēi (in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
This clearly teaches the Trinity, BUT, I don't use it because it is in dispute.
RWP: Some Latin scribe caught up Cyprian’s exegesis and wrote it on the margin of his text, and so it got into the Vulgate and finally into the Textus Receptus by the stupidity of Erasmus.
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09-11-2007, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
you don't need to apologize. Im not going to argue with you over this. Stop it, ok? Stop trying to argue with me when I tell everyone to chill out.
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Prax, I wasn't arguing, I was serious, if I did or said something that came across as offensive I want it pointed out.
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09-11-2007, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Believer
This clearly teaches the Trinity, BUT, I don't use it because it is in dispute.
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We reject any teaching about the Trinity here, Believer.
Please refer to the sticky in this section where is is NOT acceptable.
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09-11-2007, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Admin
We reject any teaching about the Trinity here, Believer.
Please refer to the sticky in this section where is is NOT acceptable.
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What? The first thing I said was that I wasn't promoting. The third thing I said was that my Bible doesn't have this verse in it, and I quoted A.T. Robertson who said "Some Latin scribe caught up Cyprian’s exegesis and wrote it on the margin of his text, and so it got into the Vulgate and finally into the Textus Receptus by the stupidity of Erasmus".
I was disputing the fact that the verse was even in the original manuscript. But, taking the verse Literally is clearly stating there is a Tri-unity of God. I wasn’t promoting, but showing the for what it says.
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This clearly teaches the Trinity, BUT, I don't use it because it is in dispute.
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